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Lessons Learned Concerning Solar

This past winter I installed 1600W of solar along with 700 AH of Battle Born lithium. Since the install, I have been staying mostly where I could connect to shore power, so I did not get a true test of the solar. The last two weeks we stayed on the North Shore in Minnesota without hookups, which gave me a good picture of how the solar works in less than optimal conditions. By less than optimal, I mean the first week it rained almost every day, with only brief breaks in the clouds, and the second week we were in a heavily shaded site where only the front of the coach got sun, and only for a few hours a day. Here are the lessons I drew from the experience for anyone considering  installing solar.

1. If you intend to go where conditions are less than optimal, size your solar system as large as possible. Having more panels allows you to still get a reasonable amount of power on days when conditions are not the best. Even on the cloudy, rainy days I generated enough power that I never needed the generator.

2. Don't have your panels mostly on one end of the coach if possible, because that end may be shaded. I have two series/parallel banks of four panels, with the two banks in parallel. At the second location only the front got sun for a few hours a day. All four of the panels in one bank are on the front, so I got good power from that bank during the hours the front was in the sun. If only the back had been in the sun, I would not have done as well because one panel from that bank is also forward due to what would fit.

3. Consider portable panels as a supplement for times when the coach is shaded. At the second location, I used a 200W portable panel that I had bought before I installed the rooftop panels, and it is probably what kept me from having to use the generator. I am considering purchasing some flexible panels to use as additional supplements.

4. You can never have too many batteries. I originally bought four 100AH batteries, but quickly realized I needed more and added three. I am now trying to figure out whether I can fit and afford three more. Having more battery capacity than you normally need means you have reserve to help you through days when you get little sun.

This all may be obvious to some who already have installed solar, but I hope it may be of use to some who are considering taking the plunge.
Dave and Kathy Bennett
2004 U270
Build #6253
1600W Solar
700 AH Battle Born Lithium
2015 Jeep Wrangler

No matter what happens, remember you always get the trip out of it.

Re: Lessons Learned Concerning Solar

Reply #1
Can you run the ac from the solar and or batteries?

I want more batteries also but the ac will only run an hour max on just about any battery pack  .

Re: Lessons Learned Concerning Solar

Reply #2
Can you run the ac from the solar and or batteries?

I want more batteries also but the ac will only run an hour max on just about any battery pack  .

I have not tried anything related to ac yet. What I hope to try is a portable ac that I would run primarily at night, while we sleep. Some of the smaller ones, based on their current draw, should work overnight, especially with more battery capacity.
Dave and Kathy Bennett
2004 U270
Build #6253
1600W Solar
700 AH Battle Born Lithium
2015 Jeep Wrangler

No matter what happens, remember you always get the trip out of it.

Re: Lessons Learned Concerning Solar

Reply #3
We find our 400ah to be plenty of capacity with our 1140 watt potential but have an RV fridge. We never have to start the generator unless for AC. Partial sun or clouds still generate a good amount of power.

Flex panels don't have a good record and I would never consider pulling panels out of a compartment to set them up. Much better to go to higher efficiency panels. Ours are old 285 watt panels but still working to 2008 specs.

We changed to all LED for lighting and with a 50 inch HDTV, computers, latte machine and MW in the morning, we never run out of juice.

Getting rid of the OEM Taytronics inverter and replacing with a sine wave or on demand modified sine wave inverter will extend battery time. We have two sine wave and one MSW inverter. Big MSW inverters suck down the juice even at idle. With on demand inverters, check and make sure the threshold current is below what the inverter is set for. There are usually dip switches to adjust the amount of current to turn the inverter on from the standby setting.

Shutting down everything at night when you go to bed saves juice and is safer.

Solar panels are really inexpensive now so the latest and most panels that will fit on the roof is excellent strategy. Not much difference between mono and poly panels. See YouTube tests.

If the system output is less than expected, check length of 12v cable from controller to batteries against chart. Industry standard is a 3% max loss from panels to batteries.

Suggest a 12V fan over bed if you need night time AC and are dry camping.

Pierce

Pierce and Gaylie Stewart
'93 U300/36 WTBI
Detroit 6V-92TA Jake
1140 watts on the roof
SBFD (ret)

Re: Lessons Learned Concerning Solar

Reply #4
Funny that you mentioned 12 v fans.
I have 2 120mm computer fans that I may fit near the headboard  .  I can hang them under the valence and wire to one of the reading lights  .?


 If the batts can't run 40 amps for the mini split ,!I have to wait a bit to justify the cost  .
My fridge and desk inverter will run 22 hrs or more as long as the radio is not turned to 11 .!
 The sound system draws quite a bit.

Re: Lessons Learned Concerning Solar

Reply #5
Funny that you mentioned 12 v fans.
I have 2 120mm computer fans that I may fit near the headboard  .  I can hang them under the valence and wire to one of the reading lights  .?
 If the batts can't run 40 amps for the mini split ,!I have to wait a bit to justify the cost  .
My fridge and desk inverter will run 22 hrs or more as long as the radio is not turned to 11 .!
 The sound system draws quite a bit.
I was thinking of a lower speed 12V fan that would move enough air but not make much noise. I remember the 12V fans that Greyhounds had for the driver and even some RVs had. Probably too much noise for sleeping.

Pierce
Pierce and Gaylie Stewart
'93 U300/36 WTBI
Detroit 6V-92TA Jake
1140 watts on the roof
SBFD (ret)

Re: Lessons Learned Concerning Solar

Reply #6
We find our 400ah to be plenty of capacity with our 1140 watt potential but have an RV fridge. We never have to start the generator unless for AC. Partial sun or clouds still generate a good amount of power.

Flex panels don't have a good record and I would never consider pulling panels out of a compartment to set them up. Much better to go to higher efficiency panels. Ours are old 285 watt panels but still working to 2008 specs.

Getting rid of the OEM Taytronics inverter and replacing with a sine wave or on demand modified sine wave inverter will extend battery time. We have two sine wave and one MSW inverter. Big MSW inverters suck down the juice even at idle. With on demand inverters, check and make sure the threshold current is below what the inverter is set for. There are usually dip switches to adjust the amount of current to turn the inverter on from the standby setting.

Shutting down everything at night when you go to bed saves juice and is safer. .

If the system output is less than expected, check length of 12v cable from controller to batteries against chart. Industry standard is a 3% max loss from panels to batteries.

Suggest a 12V fan over bed if you need night time AC and are dry camping.

Pierce


In the first week when it rained almost every day, I started with 700 AH of batteries fully charged. When I left at the end of the week, I had less than 20% charge. I would not have made it with fewer panels or fewer batteries. The panels produce as expected with minimal voltage loss. The problem is they don't generate much power when it is raining. I know some may not feel they need to prepare for such conditions, but I want to have enough capacity to do what I want even in the worst conditions.

While portable panels may not be optimal, I carry what I have and am considering more so that I can have more options when the rig itself is completely or mostly shaded. I have new panels, but they need sun exposure.

I have a sine wave inverter, though it is not on demand. Unfortunately I don't have the option of turning it off at night as my wife often needs to use a heating pad. A fan is nice, but both my wife and I like to sleep with ac, especially when in hotter climates, which is why I am looking into portable ac units.
Dave and Kathy Bennett
2004 U270
Build #6253
1600W Solar
700 AH Battle Born Lithium
2015 Jeep Wrangler

No matter what happens, remember you always get the trip out of it.