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Delaminating

Well, damn. Looks like we suddenly have a delam issue. We can push the top bubble in, but not the bottom one. Cargo doors are operating just fine. Bulkhead was inspected last year.

Just got back on the road after a year of sitting still and this stinks. From what I have read, looks like Xtreme is our best bet... if we repair. May be time to consider our exit from full-time RVing :(
Questions:
1. How critical is this? Can it wait till we are back in Texas (March 2024)? We are currently in Palm Springs, slowly making our way to Oregon before heading back to Texas.
2. Anybody have an idea of what something like this will cost to repair?
3. Could this mean we have a bigger issue?
4. It's been 104 degrees for the last 4 days, could the heat have anything to do with this?
Christine & Jimmy
Nomadic, Full-time Life in Progress...
1997 U295/36/C8.3
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Reply #1
Call and talk to Greg at Xtreme.  He can give you the straight skinny on how soon
Rudy Legett
2003 U320 4010 ISM 450 hp
2001 U320 4220 ISM 450 hp
1995 U320 M11 400 hp
1990 Granvilla 300 hp 3208T
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My guess is that marker light near the rear of the main awning not sealed properly letting in water causing the delamination  You can remove the marker light and check if it is sealed and reseal it. Our 03 had that issue when we bought it and we took it to Xtreme and Rance fixed it and no more issues.
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My guess is that marker light near the rear of the main awning not sealed properly letting in water causing the delamination  You can remove the marker light and check if it is sealed and reseal it. Our 03 had that issue when we bought it and we took it to Xtreme and Rance fixed it and no more issues.
Temp's are dropping tomorrow (no rain)... we will pull the light and check. We will also call Xtreme.
Christine & Jimmy
Nomadic, Full-time Life in Progress...
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How about drill a hole, fill it with adhesive, place a piece of plywood against the side while the glue sets. Find a way to press the wood to coach wall.

You have a good simple coach, don't let this adventure get to you.

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Had a delam appear on the curbside down from the bathroom window.  Sun was shining on this side that heated up the siding. Not visible like yours. I posted the problem back in October. Xtreme gave us an estimate of almost 10 coach bucks. Not only expensive money wise, but time wise too. Xtreme said it would take three to four weeks to repair. We have an appointment for next September. In the meantime, our tranny is sick, over heating. Could be something simple like a plugged cooler to a coach ending expense.  Hope to know more later this week. 
David & Sherry Kendrick
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Looks like the bathroom is behind the wall and if so I would strongly suggest you look hard to find a leak in the inside as moisture will get thru the panel. My feeling is also check the roof radious  for cracks and around the skylite. Could be either  one.
Johnh
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Interesting.... The bubbles went completely flat that evening. Seems weird... is that normal?
Christine & Jimmy
Nomadic, Full-time Life in Progress...
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Trapped air heating up in the sun. Wonder if you could vent the backside and resolve?
Scott

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Reply #9
Try what Barry said,get a long rachet strap and some wood blocks and go around the coach to hold the plywood.
96 U270 BUILD 4810
85 380SL
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Interesting.... The bubbles went completely flat that evening. Seems weird... is that normal?
If there are any loose/ Delam spots they will show up due to expansion from the heat.
Bruce, Linda, and Macy
Zoey RIP 1/20/19
1999 U295 40' build #5400
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Reply #11
How about drill a hole, fill it with adhesive, place a piece of plywood against the side while the glue sets. Find a way to press the wood to coach wall.

You have a good simple coach, don't let this adventure get to you.
What kind of adhesive would be best for this? What size hole? How do you get the adhesive to spread, multiple holes?
Christine & Jimmy
Nomadic, Full-time Life in Progress...
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According to James at Xtreme that will not work as the steel is not clean and it will pop when it heats up.  I had to ha ve both my slides done
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Reply #13
According to James at Xtreme that will not work as the steel is not clean and it will pop when it heats up.  I had to ha ve both my slides done

Interesting!!!
Frank & Connie Williams
1999 U320 '36
Build: 5466
MC: 18335

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Reply #14
Sooo what process would Xtreme use to cure this issue......cut and re-glue, then glass over the seams ?
Curious mind wants to know...
Hans & Marjet
1995 U300 "Ben" (#4719)
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They cut out the part cleaned the steel replaced the insulation and reglassed it.
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Former Coaches  covering. 360,000 miles
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Thx John..
Hans & Marjet
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According to James at Xtreme that will not work as the steel is not clean and it will pop when it heats up.  I had to ha ve both my slides done

Are we sure that's the issue here?  The coach in question is a 1997 with no slides. 
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2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

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What kind of adhesive would be best for this? What size hole? How do you get the adhesive to spread, multiple holes?
Given what I've done on mine so far, if I were to attack that repair, I'd begin by determining the thickness of the wall and setting my portable circular saw 1/64" less.  I already know that I can cut that thickness of veneer with a sharp knife.
Working carefully with my saw, I'd keep opening the hole until I was into "good" wood then make the final cuts in the middle of the aluminum tubing under-structure.  I'd make a purpose built table and fiberglass the new wood, finishing with white gelcoat and then trim to size.  Drill and countersink for self tapping screws and fill the screw holes with filled resin.  For the seams?  I honestly don't know.  For an invisible repair you'd have to grind down the seams deep enough for one thickness of cloth and resin then gelcoat over the top.  Takes about 3-weeks.
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Given what I've done on mine so far, if I were to attack that repair, I'd begin by determining the thickness of the wall and setting my portable circular saw 1/64" less.  I already know that I can cut that thickness of veneer with a sharp knife.
Working carefully with my saw, I'd keep opening the hole until I was into "good" wood then make the final cuts in the middle of the aluminum tubing under-structure.  I'd make a purpose built table and fiberglass the new wood, finishing with white gelcoat and then trim to size.  Drill and countersink for self tapping screws and fill the screw holes with filled resin.  For the seams?  I honestly don't know.  For an invisible repair you'd have to grind down the seams deep enough for one thickness of cloth and resin then gelcoat over the top.  Takes about 3-weeks.
Since we are full time... never gonna be able to do this. Not sure we have those kinda skills, tools or a space to complete that kind of work. Thanks though!
Christine & Jimmy
Nomadic, Full-time Life in Progress...
1997 U295/36/C8.3
600 AH BB-LiFePo/1080 Watts Solar
2020 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk
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Reply #20
Trapped air heating up in the sun. Wonder if you could vent the backside and resolve?
Scott
Hmmm... drill a hole in the bathroom wall to release the air? That's an interesting concept. Wonder if it could really be that simple!
Christine & Jimmy
Nomadic, Full-time Life in Progress...
1997 U295/36/C8.3
600 AH BB-LiFePo/1080 Watts Solar
2020 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk
** Social media: curiosity-in-motion

The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity. ~Dorothy Parker~

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Reply #21
My guess is that marker light near the rear of the main awning not sealed properly letting in water causing the delamination  You can remove the marker light and check if it is sealed and reseal it. Our 03 had that issue when we bought it and we took it to Xtreme and Rance fixed it and no more issues.
We removed the light, but found no evidence of a leak. Ordering LED replacements as we broke that one trying to get it off! Can't find a leak in the bathroom. Will get on the roof when we finally stop getting sandblasted here in the desert!
Kinda wondering if this an issue from a long time ago that we just found due to the heat?? We may never know!
Christine & Jimmy
Nomadic, Full-time Life in Progress...
1997 U295/36/C8.3
600 AH BB-LiFePo/1080 Watts Solar
2020 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk
** Social media: curiosity-in-motion

The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity. ~Dorothy Parker~

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Reply #22
Sooo what process would Xtreme use to cure this issue......cut and re-glue, then glass over the seams ?
Curious mind wants to know...

On my coach the slide upper locks had the glass become loose and leaked water inside causing havoc on slide. Since the internal structure was unprimed there was corrosion on everything. Once opened up I used a rust converter to get ahead of the rust and removed all loose material. With my past experience using expanding foam I filled the area and weighed the skin down with heavy steel beams till it was cured. Several days. All the failed sealant must be removed. Did I mention its a big job. Luckily all the local Foretravel owners showed up to help. Thank you Jim and Kieth
2000, 2001 slide delamination
If air is trapped venting on the inside would be real simple to try IMO. If it's just the panel heating up and ballooning out I'd probably wouldnt loose any sleep over it.

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  Gorilla glue injected into some high holes will glue it all together .
    Spray a little water into the holes, blow some air softly  in to spread it all around.
    Shoot lots of glue in, tape over the holes .
  Wrap the bus with  clothes line and twist it tight to the  2x4  or 4x4 , press them to the  problem areas.
  The  water make sit act like expanding foam . But with lots more glue action. 
  I did a glue test with Gorrilla glue before I built my airplane with it . There were concerns  about its's durability among all of the EAA guys.  It passed 10 yrs as long as it was painted or enclosed .  left i n the sun unpainted, it failed in about a year . The painted, parts left in the sun are still stuck . 15 yrs.     

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Reply #24
  Gorilla glue injected into some high holes will glue it all together .
    Spray a little water into the holes, blow some air softly  in to spread it all around.
    Shoot lots of glue in, tape over the holes .
  Wrap the bus with  clothes line and twist it tight to the  2x4  or 4x4 , press them to the  problem areas.
  The  water make sit act like expanding foam . But with lots more glue action. 
  I did a glue test with Gorrilla glue before I built my airplane with it . There were concerns  about its's durability among all of the EAA guys.  It passed 10 yrs as long as it was painted or enclosed .  left i n the sun unpainted, it failed in about a year . The painted, parts left in the sun are still stuck . 15 yrs.     
Water activated polyurethane Is great stuff. There are a bunch of good adhesives in production. Low outgassing and some have excellent burn qualities. Catalyzed products (epoxy's)have become almost magical in their quality and performance. Downside is their longevity and disposal problems due to lasting forever out of the killer UV exposure. Most un-recyclable.👍👍