Tires - who do we like now

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Tires - who do we like now

May 22, 2023, 03:54:48 am

My tires have timed out and all 6 need to be replaced (295-75-22.5 LR H).
The tires I bought last time were Michelin's but I have little desire to replace them with that brand again.
I also will not consider "off brand" Chinese tires even though I know many major tire companies have tires made in China, I would consider them if its a well recognized brand.
I also want load range H tires.
A tire that rides a bit firmer does not bother me, I will trade off a cushy ride for a stronger sidewall.
Of course, price matters.
I live in the Chicago area.

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Reply #1 – May 22, 2023, 04:14:44 am

Will send you the phone number of TM tire in the south suburbs,they put Toyos on for us a few years ago,even knew about the
left hand threads.

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Reply #2 – May 22, 2023, 06:56:03 am

I bought my tires from Tires Direct.
Free delivery.
$408.00 each.
Toyo M170 all position 295/75/22.5 LR-H

Paid a local tire service (mobile truck) installed them at my shop for $300. Also installed centramatics balancers all the way around. They ride as good to me as the Michelin XZE that I ran for 50,000 miles.

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Reply #3 – May 22, 2023, 08:06:31 am

After reading many posts and doing my own research on 22.5's for RV's there are many choices, but always comes down to cost. Michelin are very good, and probably the tops when it comes to there top of the line coach tires.... But at a cost. Most RV'rs tires age out Waaay before they wear out.
I personally went with the Toyo 177/170 combo. I know in the 5-6 years I have them I will do about 50-60k miles, no issues there. Most likely only half life them with that many miles. And the cost wasn't a punch in the gut. I paid $2800 total, for the two 177's and four 170's in H rating (295/75/22.5) I would highly highly suggest no matter what brand you go with that you go with the H rated plys. The other reason I went with Toyo besides the lower cost, is where they are manufactured.... in Japan.
Now my background for the last 25+ years has been a motorcycle tire race rep for Dunlop and Pirelli. In that time, anything and everything coming out of Japan has been quality through and through. I too went through Tires Direct, very good service and when I asked for born on dates ( this is a four digit number that's stamped during production in a oval on one side of the sidewall.... IE 3222 which indicates production at the 32nd week of 2022) which the emailed me the info. As you always want the most fresh born tires. Most tire companies have a FIFO (First In First Out) policy, but occasionally things get misplaced. So check out the dates no matter what brand you choose.
Now my 600 mile report on the Toyo setup I have.... Wow! Super smooth, the "roll" speed when lifting the pedal to "free wheel" was amazing. Even did a lil rain driving in them with no issue. I did use bead balancers on all six tires. 13oz on the fronts and 14oz on the rears. Hope this long post helps out. Happy RVing! 🇺🇸

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Reply #4 – May 22, 2023, 08:40:44 am

One confusing thing about the Toyo load range H tires in the 295/75/22.5 size is the dual pressure rating that is on their inflation chart.
Some are rated at 120 psi and some at 125 psi max sidewall pressure as marked on the tire.
The chart starts at 70 or 75 psi for the lower 120 max, and it starts at 95 psi for the 125 max rated tire.

At least that's what I remember 🙄 about them when I was shopping around for tires.

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Reply #5 – May 22, 2023, 09:12:30 am

Quote from: FourTravelers – May 22, 2023, 08:40:44 am

One confusing thing about the Toyo load range H tires in the 295/75/22.5 size is the dual pressure rating that is on their inflation chart.
Some are rated at 120 psi and some at 125 psi max sidewall pressure as marked on the tire.
The chart starts at 70 or 75 psi for the lower 120 max, and it starts at 95 psi for the 125 max rated tire.

At least that's what I remember 🙄 about them when I was shopping around for tires.

Not sure what charts you are referring to, but I run the front Toyo M177 295/75/22.5 H at 105psi and the rear 170's at 95psi ... I have a TPMS on the rears (fronts I need to add valve extension) the pressure rose to 106 and temps to 96F on the rears . All good pressures and temps.

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Reply #6 – May 22, 2023, 09:58:05 am

X2 Toyo M177 H rated on all six positions. Been very pleased. Ive never ran anything else so I dont any better
Scott

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Reply #7 – May 22, 2023, 10:27:51 am

Many tires may come from a Chinese company but are made in Thailand. This includes the Firestone spare tire on our coach as well as the tires on our SUVs/cars. Even though we don't full time and are light, we went with load range H and speed rating M which is 81 mph. Check the tire you want for recalls, complaints from customers at Check for Recalls: Vehicle, Car Seat, Tire, Equipment | NHTSA

Tire speed ratings: What is Tire Speed Rating & Tire Speed Rating Chart | Tires Plus

Toyo is a good tire and $400 a good price.

Where are your tires made: Where Are Your Tires Made? - Consumer Reports

Pierce

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Reply #8 – May 22, 2023, 11:29:45 am

Get up with Rudy, he knows a guy that will give you good prices.

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Reply #9 – May 22, 2023, 12:24:03 pm

When shopping for new tires don't rule out the value of your old tires that lived an easy life compared to a commercial truck. They should give you a $50 to $100.00 credit for each tire. My last set of 10 year old Toyo's gave me a nice credit off and already discounted price. In the past I've advertised them on Craigslist before changing over to new and a trucker met me at the tire shop.

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Reply #10 – May 22, 2023, 01:45:45 pm

I went with the Toyo brand which is made in Japan. Decided on the M137 though as the tread depth is much shallower than the 170 series. As our coach tires age out. No need for the extra miles that the deep tread gives and the tires have less tread squirm.
So far they have been problem free and don't lose pressure beyond the typical ambient temp change between trips.

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Reply #11 – May 22, 2023, 02:12:27 pm

List your old (7 years? ) tires for sale. Mine were 2015 date and sold them in 2022 for $150 each to a trucker for his trailer. They looked like new, when not on the road they were kept in the motorhome shed out of direct sunlight.

6 New tires $2450, less the $900 for the old ones,
= not a bad deal for new tires. 😎

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Reply #12 – May 22, 2023, 02:46:58 pm

I went with Toyo's and am happy. I got a good price on ebay and had them shipped to a tire shop near me for installation.

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Reply #13 – May 22, 2023, 03:00:59 pm

I often wonder if this tyres dating out business is from the same source that tells folk to change their diff oil every year or the gas detector that ages out needs replaced or change the oil every 3500 miles ? ?
Just to bring a modicum of perspective to this discussion, my rear tyres are the ones that came with my coach 11 years and 60k miles ago "say what " my gas detector is original as are the airbags. I did put new toyos on the front 8 years ago and they're doing fine thank you.

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Reply #14 – May 22, 2023, 04:44:21 pm

I'm a Michelin man. Michelin has two plants here in Nova Scotia and I have haul rubber from them into the Good Year plant in Ontario to make tires from theses plants and I hauled rubber in to the USA to different warehouse houses to be shipped to some plants in the Us I drove trucks most of my life and all the companies I drove for plus my own truck they put Michelin on the steer you get what you pay for. but I like supporting businesses in the places I enjoy like Canada and the US just my thoughts.look at all brand new heavy duty trucks at any dealership, freight liner, Peterbilt,Kenworth and they have Michelin on them. Any new high end coach the money that I put in to this coach and safety it's not what a couple for hundred dollars going to hurt me. Just piece of mind is worth it knowing that I have a good brand.

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Reply #15 – May 22, 2023, 05:07:33 pm

Quote from: Olde English – May 22, 2023, 03:00:59 pm

I often wonder if this tyres dating out business is from the same source that tells folk to change their diff oil every year or the gas detector that ages out needs replaced or change the oil every 3500 miles ? ?
Just to bring a modicum of perspective to this discussion, my rear tyres are the ones that came with my coach 11 years and 60k miles ago "say what " my gas detector is original as are the airbags. I did put new toyos on the front 8 years ago and they're doing fine thank you.

It's all about how much risk do you feel comfortable with. I am more comfortable with getting new tires every 7 years and hoping I do not get a blowout during these 7 years. I am fine with anyone going past 7 year old tires, I just hope that if they have a blowout with older tires it does not cause anyone else to be involved with the blowout results, including me..

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Reply #16 – May 22, 2023, 06:53:52 pm

I'm ready to swap out my rears . I can sell the take offs for maybe 600$. So it may cost me only 600$ to update . I dont like the financial exposure or getting a flat on the road . I sleep better.
Just like the TPMS and the "Crossfire" . I can watch the pressures and temps as I ride along . Not guessing counts for me .
( of course the multiple connections of the crossfire and valve cap tpms will leak a little ) I dont mind .

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Reply #17 – May 22, 2023, 07:00:33 pm

When I owned my semi, about 50% of delaminations were on retreads. Which of course means the other 50% were factory first use casings. So no difference. However, the VAST majority of all delaminations from all casing types were from low tire pressure.

I pulled this from a truck maint. companies page. "experts generally recommend that you replace your tires anywhere from every 25,000 miles to every 75,000 miles." And yes, They were talking about Class 8 heavy haul trucks. Truckers generally put on about 10,000 miles a month. Sounds like they are more sales oriented than factual data oriented.

I would get 75,000 miles out of steers (only because of the miss-aligned trailer axles causing me to correct the pull with the steering wheel) my twin screw drive axles would always last about 250,000-300,000 miles.

Every where I went. There was no mention of who these experts were nor any links to how they came to these figures.

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Reply #18 – May 22, 2023, 07:21:52 pm

Quote from: turbojack – May 22, 2023, 05:07:33 pm

It's all about how much risk do you feel comfortable with. I am more comfortable with getting new tires every 7 years and hoping I do not get a blowout during these 7 years. I am fine with anyone going past 7 year old tires, I just hope that if they have a blowout with older tires it does not cause anyone else to be involved with the blowout results, including me..

My 2 cents
Yep they are good for ten years
I plan to pull them off at five years hoping to get half their new price back selling them. Figure it will cost the same as running them ten years with less concern. Probably have a new one fail then, who knows. TPMS is your friend IMO.

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Reply #19 – May 22, 2023, 08:27:10 pm

Keep in mind when a blowout occurs, driver immediate action is to instantly go full throttle, NOT hit brake. No matter if blowout is on front, back, motorhome, truck, auto, full throttle to try to overcome the immediate drag from blowout that will pull vehicle.

Internet has video on this subject. . .

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Reply #20 – May 22, 2023, 08:52:37 pm

That's just not going to happen no matter how many times RV drivers watch the video. The blowout as the RV passed the car is a likely result. And he didn't hit the brakes but was off the road in less than one second. Some will control it, some won't.

The video you quote is a younger professional driver on flat ground. Now, take an older driver, speeding, on a downhill grade, possibley in a turn and the results won't be the same. Remember, the truck driver was just waiting for the blowout. No one is going to drive on the edge of their seat just waiting.

Pierce

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Reply #21 – May 23, 2023, 07:37:29 am

It has been my experience that the more You "Exercise" a Tire the longer it will last. By that I mean, allowing you coach to sit idle for a month or two at a time is not good for the rubber in the sidewall of the tire. The constant flexing of the sidewall while driving keeps the rubber pliable. Over the Road trucks most often wear out the tread before the sidewalls start to crack as we often see in Our motorhomes. So, if you keep your coach moving every month or week, your tires will last longer {No Dry Rot Cracks) in the side wall.

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Reply #22 – May 29, 2023, 08:23:57 am

TM tire,708-597-3078.

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Reply #23 – May 29, 2023, 04:08:25 pm

Quote from: Gerry Vicha – May 23, 2023, 07:37:29 am

It has been my experience that the more You "Exercise" a Tire the longer it will last. By that I mean, allowing you coach to sit idle for a month or two at a time is not good for the rubber in the sidewall of the tire. The constant flexing of the sidewall while driving keeps the rubber pliable. Over the Road trucks most often wear out the tread before the sidewalls start to crack as we often see in Our motorhomes. So, if you keep your coach moving every month or week, your tires will last longer {No Dry Rot Cracks) in the side wall.

Gerry they actually install a lubricant in the rubber and it works its way outward during tire life and also acts as a uv/ozone inhibitor. Real crafty engineering. It also controls the life of the tire carcass. Tire movements enables its movement in the rubber. I recall reading about this in the design and building of aerospace tires. Im pretty confident ours has the same properties. I know of nothing more important than tire inflation in regards to tire life and safety, yet billions of miles annually are accumulated without incident. Today I cringe at the thought of operating anything without a TPMS and most do.
Scott

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Reply #24 – May 29, 2023, 05:03:47 pm

We took Rudy's advice, here:

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And purchased from Dave at National Tire Concierge. One stop for tires and install nationwide and best prices on Michelins.

They can also get low prices on your family car tires too!

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