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Reply #75
Adding this photo as well for those who know diagnostics.  After we looked on the Silverleaf last night and found that code I had posted I went into the code history and found this mess from our initial breakdown on the side of the road at 11:44.  So many codes!  But, looking back it seems like this same mess of codes has happened before when we have had other electrical/battery/alternator issues that popped up.  I am guessing that when a big event happens it can throw out a whole chain of codes that are related to one another?  It still starts with that "Low Voltage" code.

-Trent and Siobhan Walker + 5 boys
Proud owners of a 1995 U300 SE that we bought from Jor.  We are so blessed and loving life on the road!

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Reply #76
Somewhere in that loom that is just below where the 1st pic. shows all those tie wraps should be a blade type fuse holder.  If not in that area I have no idea where they hid them.

Mike
Pamela & Mike 97 U 320

"It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters."

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Reply #77
Currently cleaning up the connections from the alternator.  They are pretty cruddy and one wire just snapped in half as soon as Trent grabbed onto it.  That could be the whole source of "low voltage" couldn't it?
-Trent and Siobhan Walker + 5 boys
Proud owners of a 1995 U300 SE that we bought from Jor.  We are so blessed and loving life on the road!

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Reply #78
Somewhere in that loom that is just below where the 1st pic. shows all those tie wraps should be a blade type fuse holder.  If not in that area I have no idea where they hid them.

Mike

Would it be this cylinder-type thing?

-Trent and Siobhan Walker + 5 boys
Proud owners of a 1995 U300 SE that we bought from Jor.  We are so blessed and loving life on the road!

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Reply #79
Canon connector.

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Reply #80
Siobhan,

In your photos from last night, that does look like the right kind of connector for something going to the ECM.  That is called a Weather Pack connector.  It is gummy inside because when they put them together at the factory they put dielectric grease inside.  Helps keep them water tight.

What Trent is looking for is a similar type connector, but with only two wires, both entering the connector from one end.  The other end is like a cap.  When you pull the cap off you will see a small blade type fuse.  There should be two of these fuse holders in close proximity to each other.

Look at the link I provided in Reply #59.  In that thread, toward the end, there are 3 photos.  The 2nd photo shows the 2 OEM fuse holders.  Peter replaced both OEM fuse holders with the items shown in the 3rd photo.  If it turns out you need new ones, you should find these replacement fuse holders at the Advance auto parts store.

Look at the link Mike supplied in Reply # 70.  His 3rd photo shows the 2 fuse holders.

In both of the photos referenced above, it looks like the wires entering the fuse holders are ORANGE.  The holders on your coach may or may not be similar, but tell Trent to keep his eyes open for orange wires.

Keep up the good work.  You guys are a AWESOME team, and I know you can figure out this mystery!

1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

Re: Stranded on an exit ramp - Stop Engine and ABS lights

Reply #81
Currently cleaning up the connections from the alternator.  They are pretty cruddy and one wire just snapped in half as soon as Trent grabbed onto it.  That could be the whole source of "low voltage" couldn't it?
The answer depends on which wire it was that snapped in half.  I assume it was one of the small wires.  Repairing that wire is certainly a step in the right direction, even if it doesn't completely solve your present problem.

1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

Re: Stranded on an exit ramp - Stop Engine and ABS lights

Reply #82
Siobhan,

In your photos from last night, that does look like the right kind of connector for something going to the ECM.  That is called a Weather Pack connector.  It is gummy inside because when they put then together at the factory they put dielectric grease inside.  Helps keep them water tight.

What Trent is looking for is a similar type connector, but with only two wires, both entering the connector from one end.  The other end is like a cap.  When you pull the cap off you will see a small blade type fuse.  There should be two of these fuse holders in close proximity to each other.

Look at the link I provided in Reply #59.  In that thread, toward the end, there are 3 photos.  The 2nd photo shows the 2 OEM fuse holders.  Peter replaced both OEM fuse holders with the item shown in the 3rd photo.  If it turns out you need new ones, you should find these replacement fuse holders at the Advance auto parts store.

Look at the link Mike supplied in Reply # 70.  His 3rd photo shows the 2 fuse holders.

In both of the photos referenced above, it looks like the wires entering the fuse holders are ORANGE.  The holders on your coach may or may not be similar, but tell Trent to keep his eyes open for orange wires.

Keep up the good work.  You guys are a AWESOME team, and I know you can figure out this mystery!




Found this one by the starter batteries with orange wires.  Can't find anything in the engine compartment near the ECM.

-Trent and Siobhan Walker + 5 boys
Proud owners of a 1995 U300 SE that we bought from Jor.  We are so blessed and loving life on the road!

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Reply #83
Fuse holders should look something like the example below:

1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

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Reply #84
Found this one by the starter batteries with orange wires.  Can't find anything in the engine compartment near the ECM.
That is definitely a fuse holder.  Is it the one supplying power to the engine ECM?  I don't know.  Check the condition of the wires going into the end of the holder.  Remove the cap and check the fuse.  If it is blown, you'll need to get a replacement.  Get several while you're at it, so you have spares on hand.

1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

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Reply #85
That is definitely a fuse holder.  Is it the one supplying power to the engine ECM?  I don't know.  Check the condition of the wires going into the end of the holder.  Remove the cap and check the fuse.  If it is blown, you'll need to get a replacement.  Get several while you're at it, so you have spares on hand.




Wires look good.  Fuse is good.  It's literally the only fuse holder we can find.  It's connected to some Racor prime button and the starter battery.
-Trent and Siobhan Walker + 5 boys
Proud owners of a 1995 U300 SE that we bought from Jor.  We are so blessed and loving life on the road!

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Reply #86
Currently cleaning up the connections from the alternator.  They are pretty cruddy and one wire just snapped in half as soon as Trent grabbed onto it.  That could be the whole source of "low voltage" couldn't it?

Though likely a problem (in terms of alternator output), since you have the generator running and powering the inverter charger which charges the house bank and the boost switch on charging the chassis battery this is likely NOT the cause of your current issues.

Said simply, your voltage readings at the batteries do not indicate that voltage is the problem.  That voltage getting to all the right places-- likely IS.
Brett Wolfe
EX: 1993 U240
Moderator, ForeForum 2001-
Moderator Diesel RV Club 2002-
Moderator, FMCA Forum 2009-2020
Chairman FMCA Technical Advisory Committee 2011-2020

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Reply #87
Maybe someone with eagle eyes can spot a fuse holder in these photos of the engine compartment?  I'm trying to look according to everyone's suggestions but I am not finding anything.  It's probably staring right at me or something.





-Trent and Siobhan Walker + 5 boys
Proud owners of a 1995 U300 SE that we bought from Jor.  We are so blessed and loving life on the road!

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Reply #88
Though likely a problem (in terms of alternator output), since you have the generator running and powering the inverter charger which charges the house bank and the boost switch on charging the chassis battery this is likely NOT the cause of your current issues.

Said simply, your voltage readings at the batteries do not indicate that voltage is the problem.  That voltage getting to all the right places-- likely IS.


Brett, could it be that our inverter charger isn't working properly?  How might we know whether it is or not?

Here is a photo of the interface.  I'm not even really sure how that whole system works.

-Trent and Siobhan Walker + 5 boys
Proud owners of a 1995 U300 SE that we bought from Jor.  We are so blessed and loving life on the road!

Re: Stranded on an exit ramp - Stop Engine and ABS lights

Reply #89
Maybe someone with eagle eyes can spot a fuse holder in these photos of the engine compartment?  I'm trying to look according to everyone's suggestions but I am not finding anything.
I can't see anything in the photo, but if your coach is the same as Mike's and Peter's, then the fuses should be somewhere around the area indicated by the arrows.  They may be completely covered up with electric tape, or hidden inside some of the ribbed plastic wire protector.

Also, you might look for them down in the area around the starter motor.  This is just a guess...and not too likely, because it gets really hot around the starter.  Wouldn't be a great place to have a fuse holder.

1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

Re: Stranded on an exit ramp - Stop Engine and ABS lights

Reply #90

Brett, could it be that our inverter charger isn't working properly?  How might we know whether it is or not?

Here is a photo of the interface.  I'm not even really sure how that whole system works.



Your voltage reading of over 13 VDC say that the charger function IS working.  Reading voltage at the house battery with your digital voltmeter to confirm.  And to confirm that boost is working, that same voltage reading should be at the chassis batteries as well.

Said another way, you have already confirmed by checking each chassis battery separately that none have a dead cell. And that your current readings are showing batteries connected to the inverter/charger (either directly or through boost switch) are fully charged and that the inverter/charger has gone (as it should) into FLOAT MODE.

One other easy test the next time you try to start it is for you to monitor voltage at the chassis batteries while someone else tries to start it.  This will verify that you are not just reading a surface charge from the inverter/charger but that the batteries are actually good.
Brett Wolfe
EX: 1993 U240
Moderator, ForeForum 2001-
Moderator Diesel RV Club 2002-
Moderator, FMCA Forum 2009-2020
Chairman FMCA Technical Advisory Committee 2011-2020

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Reply #91
I can't see anything in the photo, but if your coach is the same as Mike's and Peter's, then the fuses should be somewhere around the area indicated by the arrows.  They may be completely covered up with electric tape, or hidden inside some of the ribbed plastic wire protector.

Also, you might look for them down in the area around the starter motor.  This is just a guess...and not too likely, because it gets really hot around the starter.  Wouldn't be a great place to have a fuse holder.




WE finally found one fuse holder so far.  How many should we be looking for?  This one had black wires coming out.
-Trent and Siobhan Walker + 5 boys
Proud owners of a 1995 U300 SE that we bought from Jor.  We are so blessed and loving life on the road!

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Reply #92
As you have now found that the alt, batteries and inverter/charger are working. Your next step should be to pull the batt cables all along their run (not just at the batteries) and wire brush them. You have a low voltage fault code and that's usually caused by high resistance in the power feed. A dirty/corroded connection will cause said high resistance and lower the voltage.
Jerry & Nona and Kimeru the cat that thinks she's a dog
1998 36' WTFE U320  #5314 Motorcade #17711
USAF 1975-1995
2019 Subaru Crosstrek 'toad'
2003 Subaru Legacy touring car
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Re: Stranded on an exit ramp - Stop Engine and ABS lights

Reply #93
As you have now found that the alt, batteries and inverter/charger are working. Your next step should be to pull the batt cables all along their run (not just at the batteries) and wire brush them. You have a low voltage fault code and that's usually caused by high resistance in the power feed. A dirty/corroded connection will cause said high resistance and lower the voltage.


Yes, I believe Brett has been saying the same thing.  We are now moving onto cleaning up the starter and then the isolator next.
-Trent and Siobhan Walker + 5 boys
Proud owners of a 1995 U300 SE that we bought from Jor.  We are so blessed and loving life on the road!

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Reply #94

Yes, I believe Brett has been saying the same thing.  We are now moving onto cleaning up the starter and then the isolator next.
Let's pray that this will be the fix. ^.^d As it's cheap and not too hard to do.
Jerry & Nona and Kimeru the cat that thinks she's a dog
1998 36' WTFE U320  #5314 Motorcade #17711
USAF 1975-1995
2019 Subaru Crosstrek 'toad'
2003 Subaru Legacy touring car
jerry Fincher | Flickr

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Reply #95
WE finally found one fuse holder so far.  How many should we be looking for?  This one had black wires coming out.
I don't know how many there are on your coach.  There may be only one.  Did this fuse holder look OK?  Was the fuse good?

1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

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Reply #96
I don't know how many there are on your coach.  There may be only one.  Did this fuse holder look OK?  Was the fuse good?


Everything looked good.
-Trent and Siobhan Walker + 5 boys
Proud owners of a 1995 U300 SE that we bought from Jor.  We are so blessed and loving life on the road!

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Reply #97
Let's pray that this will be the fix. ^.^d As it's cheap and not too hard to do.

So....he got to the isolator and it looks like the corner may have caught on fire or something and when he went to unscrew the badly rusted bolts the whole post came off.  I think we have a problem here.  Where/how might we get an isolator replacement and what may have caused a possible fire at some point?  I would hate to put a new one in to find that it catches fire.

-Trent and Siobhan Walker + 5 boys
Proud owners of a 1995 U300 SE that we bought from Jor.  We are so blessed and loving life on the road!

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Reply #98
The battery isolator is NOT a  critical part of getting the rig started/running. 

Short term fix so that you don't hurt the alternator is to wire the wire from the alternator B+ to the wire on the isolator going to the chassis battery.  Your wiring diagram has the numbers on it, or just trace the large-gauge wires. Even a bolt holding the two together will work.  Slip an old piece of rubber hose or something over the connection so no chance of that connection touching/grounding on any nearby piece of metal.

The component in the bottom of the photo labeled "start" is also in terrible condition and should be replaced.  Likely the start solenoid.

Basically clean up anything that looks that gnarly.
Brett Wolfe
EX: 1993 U240
Moderator, ForeForum 2001-
Moderator Diesel RV Club 2002-
Moderator, FMCA Forum 2009-2020
Chairman FMCA Technical Advisory Committee 2011-2020

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Reply #99
The battery isolator is NOT a  critical part of getting the rig started/running. 

Short term fix so that you don't hurt the alternator is to wire the wire from the alternator B+ to the wire on the isolator going to the chassis battery.  Your wiring diagram has the numbers on it, or just trace the large-gauge wires. Even a bolt holding the two together will work.  Slip an old piece of rubber hose or something over the connection so no chance of that connection touching/grounding on any nearby piece of metal.

The component in the bottom of the photo labeled "start" is also in terrible condition and should be replaced.  Likely the start solenoid.

Basically clean up anything that looks that gnarly.

Okay.  Found those wires and connecting them now.  Will clean up the start solenoid as well.  Is that something we can purchase locally maybe in Richmond?  Is it readily available or is it something that needs to be ordered?  WE do have the boost solenoid that we replaced with a new one yesterday but it looks way better than this.  Could we use that if we can't get anything locally?
-Trent and Siobhan Walker + 5 boys
Proud owners of a 1995 U300 SE that we bought from Jor.  We are so blessed and loving life on the road!