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Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #25 – November 11, 2023, 07:14:20 pm

Quote from: Michelle – November 11, 2023, 09:29:40 am

FT of Tennessee hasn't existed for a number of years (almost 2 decades)... That is if you mean the old Kodak location. It was bought out and renamed Tennessee RV in 2004.

It was bought out by Lazy Days in 2019. They also bought out Buddy Gregg on the west side of Knoxville not too long ago (July 2023).

Good to know, still see it listed as such....wont bother checking with them then. Will Give MOT ( where we bought it a call to see if they have one)

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #26 – November 11, 2023, 07:40:03 pm

Quote from: Dave Larsen – November 11, 2023, 09:39:26 am

I don't think that searching for a "Cummins 8.3 hydraulic pump" will yield anything helpful. The pump isn't anything specific to Cummins.
I doubt this is helpful, but here's what's on our '97.
Good luck.

Thanks your picture looks identical to ours. Best lead Ive seen yet. will research this QCC

To answer many in one post.

I have a spot rented here outside of nashville for up to a month at the moment. Hopefully wont take that long, but 2 weeks out is Thanksgiving

I have the pump off in hand. There is NO data plate on it. Its markings are K110 9845 40998, SAUER SUNDSTRAND. I have had no luck finding anything on any of that data.

I did call Erik Wankel in ABQ as recommended by CRANE, spoke to him for a bit about the one he did for Forum member Rodney Stowers. He felt sure he knew what I had, a certain Vickers V10. but when I sent him the pictures as well as the ONLY numbers visible on it that are stamped into the metal housing, No data plate at all on it. He stated he was not sure what I had but would do some looking. Erik stated that he does about 2+ of these a year, always sheered shafts, that the design of these style pumps is not in a well suited application.

Ours IS NOT rebuildable the shaft is snapped in two. Ive got to find a suitable replacement

I do have a contact at a local to Nashville Hydraulic shop that I plan to try and get my old one to monday. I will also call MOT.

TAXMANPAUL, Michelle says FOT has not existed in near 20 years. Did you mean MOT in Texas. If not texas, Do you have any records as to who you dealt with?...thank you if you do.

attaching more pictures as soon as this SLOoooooow internet gets them to my laptop.

Headed home in the morning to get my wife back then im coming back up here Monday to get with the local hdraulic shop as well as to call MOT, unless I get a better contact reply from TAXMANPAUL about where he got his few months back.

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #27 – November 11, 2023, 07:54:20 pm

Quote from: mkc1962 – November 11, 2023, 07:40:03 pm

TAXMANPAUL, Michelle says FOT has not existed in near 20 years. Did you mean MOT in Texas. If not texas, Do you have any records as to who you dealt with?...thank you if you do.

FOT is Foretravel of Texas. FOT is Foretravel's retail service side of the business and operated financially as a separate company of sorts from Foretravel (the manufacturer). When you are looking for parts or service, it's technically FOT you're dealing with, not Foretravel.

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #28 – November 11, 2023, 08:00:20 pm

Michelle, thank you for the clarification. Do you have any contact numbers for them? All I recall I have in all my docs is for MOT parts department, 800-651-1112, is this what you are referring to?. Thanks

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #29 – November 11, 2023, 08:32:26 pm

FOT = Foretravel of Texas

FORETRAVEL

MOT = Motorhomes of Texas

Motorhome Dealer In Nacogdoches, TX | Motorhomes of Texas

Two different businesses, but both VERY familiar with Foretravel coaches. Both locations are a stone's throw from each other, on opposite sides of Hwy 59 in NAC (Nacogdoches).

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #30 – November 11, 2023, 08:37:34 pm

Quote from: Chuck & Jeannie – November 11, 2023, 08:32:26 pm

FOT = Foretravel of Texas

FORETRAVEL

MOT = Motorhomes of Texas

Motorhome Dealer In Nacogdoches, TX | Motorhomes of Texas

Two different businesses, but both VERY familiar with Foretravel coaches. Both locations are a stone's throw from each other, on opposite sides of the road.

Thanks Chuck,

Yes I recall them taking me over across to the road to the parts department when we picked it up. we bought from MOT near 3 years ago. But I thought all of that was MOT. If I understand you correctly MOT has a parts dept, AND FOT has another?

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #31 – November 11, 2023, 08:41:29 pm

Quote from: mkc1962 – November 11, 2023, 08:37:34 pm

If I understand you correctly MOT has a parts dept, AND FOT has another?

Correct - both have well stocked parts dept, and like I said they both talk "Foretravel" fluently.

If you are a Motorcade Club member, ask at either parts counter about getting the 10% club discount.

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #32 – November 11, 2023, 08:53:03 pm

good to know, have heard all yall talk about it over the years but thought it was all the same. They did enroll us in something when we bought it and did tell us about the discount, but had never used it. I assume as with any other club it was to have some sort of annual renewal, but I never got any contact about that....that being said probably no long a member.

I'll give FOT a call first thing Monday morn. If they have one, will be a smoother transaction than having to come back up here and hunt around and hope, though straight from factory no doubt pricier.

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #33 – November 11, 2023, 08:53:29 pm

Quote from: Chuck & Jeannie – November 11, 2023, 09:56:31 am

So the late 90's models with the 8.3L have a single belt driven pump that powers both the cooling fans and the power steering? I wonder why they went to that system. Our '93 model has two completely separated hydraulic systems - each with a pump and a reservoir. Cooling fans pump is belt driven. Power steering pump is shaft driven - bolted to the end of the air compressor. Lose one pump and the other system still functions. Seems a bit more resilient to me.

Yep, ours is the same, thanks for clearing that up for me, started to wonder if our 95 U280 with the 8.3 was a "one off"........

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #34 – November 11, 2023, 09:27:07 pm

Quote from: mkc1962 – November 11, 2023, 08:37:34 pm

Thanks Chuck,

Yes I recall them taking me over across to the road to the parts department when we picked it up. we bought from MOT near 3 years ago. But I thought all of that was MOT. If I understand you correctly MOT has a parts dept, AND FOT has another?

Yes - Foretravel (the manufacturer) operates FOT (Foretravel of Texas) as a parts and service business.

Motorhomes of Texas (MOT) is a consignment/pre-owned motorhome dealer who also operates a parts and service business, in addition to selling used coaches. The owner of MOT (David Robertson) worked for Foretravel as a salesman until 2003 when Foretravel started changing up their sales business model (ceasing consignment sales at the time).

They are both located in Nacogdoches, Texas, but are not affiliated with each other. They are, to a great degree, competitors for the parts and service businesses. By necessity, MOT is going to source some parts from FOT if those parts are not otherwise available.

There's some other history between the 2 businesses, but that's for a different day (and perhaps a search of the Yahoo Archive).

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #35 – November 11, 2023, 09:28:37 pm

Quote from: mkc1962 – November 11, 2023, 07:40:03 pm

I have the pump off in hand. There is NO data plate on it. Its markings are K110 9845 40998, SAUER SUNDSTRAND.
Ours IS NOT rebuildable the shaft is snapped in two.

I think you are laboring under a false assumption. I can almost guarantee that your old pump is indeed rebuildable. The trick, of course, is finding the required parts. Hydraulic pumps can be surprisingly simple inside. I rebuilt our Vickers V10 pump on my workbench with common hand tools. I was able to find a brand new pump shaft on eBay. If you could find the correct replacement shaft I am sure you, or any hydraulic shop, could probably refurbish your old pump.

You would be surprised what you can turn up with a simple Google search. For instance, the outfits linked below would be worth a call on Monday to see if they would have parts or possibly a rebuilt pump in stock.

Parts4Pumps supplies repair kits and parts for hydraulic equipment

Hydraulic Pump Repair & Motor Repairs Near You - Precision Fluid Power

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #36 – November 11, 2023, 10:09:37 pm

More Google searching turned up the IRV2 Forum thread linked below - Reply #12 contains some good info!

C8.3 hydraulic pump - iRV2 Forums

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #37 – November 11, 2023, 10:17:43 pm

Chuck, i agree with you IF i could find the shaft indeed it could be rebuilt,.. and I've rebuilt several on tractors, but without a part number for the pump i don't even know where to start looking for parts. I imagine every shop will also need the info i don't see on this one....i don't know of any hydraulic rebuild shops in Alabama though I'm sure there are some. The one up here in Nashville comes highly recommended but when i spoke with them today they ask me what type n number... which i could only provide what i have here in those stamped numbers...and it gets me no where on any net searches... he says get it to me and I'll be able to tell...i have to get my wife back home tomorrow as she still works and 1700 coal miners want there pay this week...i plan to make many calls monday morning, and would prefer to rebuild vs buying new, but without part numbers im dead in the water. I'm trying to avoid a trip back here until i have a part in hand..... just got off the phone with BBeane, he suggested to maybe call Keith Risch he might know a common part #. Bruce gave me his number and gonna try to reach him tomorrow or 1st Monday.

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #38 – November 11, 2023, 10:26:00 pm

Quote from: Chuck & Jeannie – November 11, 2023, 10:09:37 pm

More Google searching turned up the IRV2 Forum thread linked below - Reply #12 contains some good info!

C8.3 hydraulic pump - iRV2 Forums

Chuck, thanks for this research.... and i plan to do lots more when back at the house tomorriw.... come n go internet here.... takes quite a bit of time just to submit posts... I've been up now for about 36+ hours....exhausted n just worn out... we were headed home a few hours ago but wife talked me out of it. Thanks to all for all the help and i hope to digest all this good info for some solid searching that maybe nets a good p# then go from there.

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #39 – November 11, 2023, 11:25:05 pm

White House Products Ltd. is an English Company I have gotten hydraulic parts before. They
might be worth a call. I think this might be there phone number. 011 44 147 574 2500

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #40 – November 12, 2023, 11:51:10 am

The 011 is code for dialing out from Canada. Us uses another code.
Johnh

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #41 – November 12, 2023, 11:55:11 am

Here it is. Scotland.

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #42 – November 12, 2023, 01:53:56 pm

Mike. My suggestion for what it is worth--when you take the pump to the hydraulic shop if everyone in parts look under 40 see if there is a old man in the shop you can talk to!! Just my experience-- the new generation has a computer and if you don't have numbers they are lost-- if parts or shop has older employee they can usually tell you what you need and where to get it.
Just me
Chris

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #43 – November 12, 2023, 02:23:24 pm

A decent machine shop can make you a new shaft or rebuild that one,you will need to remove the shaft from the pump.

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #44 – November 12, 2023, 08:09:06 pm

As stated above you get a 10% discount on parts and labor being a Motorcade member. You can call or email Christi to find out if you are current

Motorcade Club Manager
Christi Carrington motorcadeclub@foretravel.com

936.564.8367
800.955.6226 (220)

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #45 – November 12, 2023, 09:53:18 pm

Back home and pump is torn down. Also have decent internet for searching.

To repeat this pump did not have a data plate, just numbers stamped into its body. Some of the prior numbers once searched (40998) applies only to the rear hose connection block.

I also showed a very small stamped 41188, (hidden in an area I could not see until very clean) the very same number that one of you showed as a QCC 41188. BBeane here on the forums also had a friend that had bought one from Foretravel directly and it too had the number 41188 but stated on his Invoice that this number was a Foretravel #. If I search the QCC parts store they do show a 41188 listed as a Webster 41188 CPJ 030 W/TAPERED SHAFT . Webster (Formerly Danfoss)(Danfoss formerly Sauer Sundstrand)

As all of this info through QCC appears to match what I have, I plan to call them in the morning to see can I direct source through them, there website does not imply they only deal with repair shops.
If they do not sell to the general public, through my old chemical plant, I have a contact at a Montgomery Hydraulic shop that says he can. At the same time see if they might could assist with a rebuilding of this one.

Worst case call FOT for that approach.

I do have the pump completely down, and not against having a machine shop build a new shaft. BUT, dont know if there is anyone in my area good enough to get the precision spot on to trust it or not. I think I would prefer to source a new or remanned one, then in time maybe see can I get this one rebuilt as a spare. QCC website does mention that they also sell parts, maybe can get just a new shaft?

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #46 – November 12, 2023, 10:20:37 pm

http://www.hydradynellc.com/

You could try this place. They are a distributor for Parker and quite large. It's just a gear pump, they should be able to match something up that has the same displacement and shaft type for you.

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #47 – November 13, 2023, 05:59:28 pm

This unfortunate situation that is affecting us and our coach, is turning out to be a much bigger long term problem that has the possibility of affecting anyone that might be running the same Hydraulic pump as ours. (41188). I would encourage anyone out there with the same vintage/systems to follow along and stay informed.

I am going to attempt to resolve this situation not only for us, but for anyone else that might suffer the same demise on the same vintage/system moving forward. It appears Foretravel themselves is really not terribly concerned about this issue.
All the CC's in the world will not help you with this if it happens to you.

I have created another post looking for factual assistance in that resolution.
Hydraulic system Flow diagram needed for 01 U295

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #48 – November 13, 2023, 07:34:27 pm

Mike, if you have the specs for the one that was on your coach and has been discontinued, why can you not take that and find a new one that matches.?

I did a google search on causes of pump shaft to break. The main answer is "The most common cause of shaft breakage is (rotational) tensile bending fatigue. "

While I was typing this I remember a friend that troubleshoots why multi million dollar engine fails had told me that he has see crankshafts and all kinds of items running off the engine break due to running the wrong belt tensioner on an engine. I am going to send him the picture you have of the broken shaft and see what he has to say.

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #49 – November 13, 2023, 08:21:54 pm

Quote from: mkc1962 – November 11, 2023, 09:00:23 am

CRANE, thanks reaching out to both them AND the Albaq source for a possible part number that could be used at HD truck parts sources. .

TOM, yes no doubt FT can provide info but they are not open till monday, though a slim chance, was hoping someone might know and maybe a place like NAPA or some local fleet place might have one. Luckily FOT (FT of Tennessee) is just on the other side of the town I am broke down in.

At the moment, taking my wife home today in our toad its about 290 , then coming back here tomorrow to be ready to pounce on FOT first thing monday morn. Unless local road service contact can point me at a better path. Wife still works and must be back at work monday. Me im retired and can deal with this. Still not pleasant situation

Mike, there is a Cummins place just off I-65 in Nashville. If you are in Goodlettsville, you are close to it. There are many places around for hydraulic pumps, etc. I am located here in Watertown, TN, not that far from you, maybe 35 miles east of Nashville and Lebanon, TN. If I can help, let me know or you can bring coach out here and park in front of mine. Let me know. You can access my phone number on my profile or just message me. Good luck!

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