Hydraulic pump Failed **ALL FORETRAVEL OWNERS SHOULD READ**

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Hydraulic pump Failed ALL FORETRAVEL OWNERS SHOULD READ

November 10, 2023, 04:39:52 pm

Heading in to Nashville.... few miles from end of day pulley on hydraulic pump just sheered off....tough to steer but can but my engine gets hot. Due to lack of fans.. not out of fluid.. any suggestions?

Please go to MY final post at the moment, page 3, for conclusion of findings details.

Re: Anyway to keep cool?

Reply #1 – November 10, 2023, 04:56:31 pm

No help, got to have the fans. I'd sure like to know what caused the shaft to shear

Re: Anyway to keep cool?

Reply #2 – November 10, 2023, 05:01:37 pm

Bruce i would to... been out 2 weeks all doing great for most part till this... right now run a few cool a few 6 more miles to our campground 250 from home... get to cg find a place to store in the am then toad it home i guess

Re: Anyway to keep cool?

Reply #3 – November 10, 2023, 06:12:48 pm

Mike, not being completely sure of your situation, those pumps should be a couple of hundred bucks and I bet you could find a mobile mechanic in the area to come to you and put it on.
That might save you some traveling back and forth.

Re: Anyway to keep cool?

Reply #4 – November 10, 2023, 06:55:59 pm

Quote from: MarkC – November 10, 2023, 06:12:48 pm

Mike, not being completely sure of your situation, those pumps should be a couple of hundred bucks and I bet you could find a mobile mechanic in the area to come to you and put it on.
That might save you some traveling back and forth.

Yeah i wouldn't think to much cost either but unknown if it's a specific pump just for this or not...just trying to find that person... least we made it to cg... but these folks here don't seem to informative about anything other than my checkout time...good thing a bus/rv place is right across road... drove it 15 with no ps have no dought could get it over there just don't know if they are open tom or not... right now steak n beer do more research on a bit.

Anybody know are these pumps a certain make/type?

Re: Anyway to keep cool?

Reply #5 – November 10, 2023, 07:22:32 pm

The last pump I bought for an 8.3 was about $250 ish. not including a new pully. It is real rare to have one of those pumps lock up. I sure want the autopsy report after you pull it down.

If you could hang a couple of floor fans some how in front of the radiator you could run them off the generator to limp home. Now it would sure look like something Jethro would come up with and most likely cause for a discussion with a state trooper. There has to be a better way to limp home as this won't help with the steering at all.

Mike

Re: Anyway to keep cool?

Reply #6 – November 10, 2023, 08:34:54 pm

Quote from: Pamela & Mike – November 10, 2023, 07:22:32 pm

The last pump I bought for an 8.3 was about $250 ish. not including a new pully. It is real rare to have one of those pumps lock up. I sure want the autopsy report after you pull it down.

If you could hang a couple of floor fans some how in front of the radiator you could run them off the generator to limp home. Now it would sure look like something Jethro would come up with and most likely cause for a discussion with a state trooper. There has to be a better way to limp home as this won't help with the steering at all.

Mike

Autopsy you and I both....the pump had a slight seal weep, but reservoir is full of fluid, and tensioner is new...ONly info Ive been able to pull off the pump is a name that appears to be something like Bauer Songrand....cant seem to find any number on it.

LOL...I thought of that very thing, have already pulled the side shroud and we left the rear lid open, stopping every few miles to pour water over the rads so as to not let it get above 200 to get where we are.....Yeah Any trooper might not take kindly to my approach if he realizes I only have manual steering....Have CG lot rented till mid week, too late tonight to do much else....FOT is about 30 away, but 30 is a long way if overheating...surely a Napa or similar might could source a pump. Luckily in a decent size town (Goodlettsville TN) can find most anything I dont already have on hand....Trying to call a heavy truck road guy somebody at the restuarant recommended but no luck yet...If not back going by tomorrow I got to get my wife back home in the toad, then come back and deal with it.

Re: Anyway to keep cool?

Reply #7 – November 10, 2023, 08:58:03 pm

Quote from: Pamela & Mike – November 10, 2023, 07:22:32 pm

The last pump I bought for an 8.3 was about $250 ish. not including a new pully. It is real rare to have one of those pumps lock up. I sure want the autopsy report after you pull it down.

If you could hang a couple of floor fans some how in front of the radiator you could run them off the generator to limp home. Now it would sure look like something Jethro would come up with and most likely cause for a discussion with a state trooper. There has to be a better way to limp home as this won't help with the steering at all.

Mike

Mike you dont have any spec info, numbers etc do you?.....Gonna try and get it off in the AM once I get a bucket large enough to hold all the fluid in the reservoir.

Re: Anyway to keep cool?

Reply #8 – November 10, 2023, 09:24:03 pm

Mike,

I just went out to Zack's coach and took a mirror to look over his pump. I couldn't see any tag or number. If someone has a copy of there 8.3 engine book it may have a Cummins number in it. Wish I could have been more help tonight but some days are that way.

Mike

Re: Anyway to keep cool?

Reply #9 – November 10, 2023, 10:10:42 pm

Mike I had a friend that replaced his pump a couple of years ago, I'll see if he has a part number.

Re: Anyway to keep cool?

Reply #10 – November 10, 2023, 10:18:09 pm

Add another grain of sand to the anxiety scale. That sucks. Sorry to hear this. Spray jets of potable water on radiator?

Re: Anyway to keep cool?

Reply #11 – November 10, 2023, 10:21:31 pm

Hey guys, it is what it is and I appreciate all the info than anyone can come up, maybe it is just as simple as asking for a Hydraulic pump for an 8.3 cummins, but I have my doubts on that, I'll get it off in the am and see can I get some more info b4 I head to a local NAPA which is probable the best I can hope for on a SAT
autopsy you both asked.....I may be wrong, but I think this picture of my shaft may tell the story. rust dont happen when something sheers, it happens over time. It appears to me my shaft may have had a hairline crack for quite some time, heck maybe since new...looks like near 1/4 to 1/3rd of the shaft had internal rust prior to snapping....

Re: Anyway to keep cool?

Reply #12 – November 10, 2023, 10:23:34 pm

Quote from: dsd – November 10, 2023, 10:18:09 pm

Add another grain of sand to the anxiety scale. That sucks. Sorry to hear this. Spray jets of potable water on radiator?

Scott, trust me I have given some serious thought to a few small shop fans and the gen approach.....But after 15 miles, an exit and an entry to a campground I can sure appreciate the life of a trucker from the era of pre power steering.

Re: Anyway to keep cool?

Reply #13 – November 10, 2023, 10:26:34 pm

A forum member used these folks and I talked to them a year or so ago Mr. Wayne Beckett
J & S Hydraulics, Inc
785 Airport Road
Sutton, WV 26601

Office: 304-765-7008
Cell: 304-619-4776
FAX:304-765-0109
Do a forum search for hydraulic fan motors. Jon Twork posted it

Re: Anyway to keep cool?

Reply #14 – November 10, 2023, 11:06:56 pm

Quote from: bbeane – November 10, 2023, 10:26:34 pm

A forum member used these folks and I talked to them a year or so ago Mr. Wayne Beckett
J & S Hydraulics, Inc
785 Airport Road
Sutton, WV 26601

Office: 304-765-7008
Cell: 304-619-4776
FAX:304-765-0109
Do a forum search for hydraulic fan motors. Jon Twork posted it

Thanks will Bruce, will do some searching. Local Road assist guy is going to call me in the AM.

Re: Anyway to keep cool?

Reply #15 – November 10, 2023, 11:58:49 pm

Check with this member.

Hydraulic or water pump question

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #16 – November 11, 2023, 08:41:55 am

I guess this is a dumb question since I don't own a Foretravel but would not Foretravel know the pump make and part number? Perhaps no one has suggested them because of costs?

I'm asking simply because Foretravel has always been on the short list of coaches when I trade. Information on parts knowledge and availability always enters into the equation when considering the next coach.

TOM

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #17 – November 11, 2023, 09:00:23 am

CRANE, thanks reaching out to both them AND the Albaq source for a possible part number that could be used at HD truck parts sources. .

TOM, yes no doubt FT can provide info but they are not open till monday, though a slim chance, was hoping someone might know and maybe a place like NAPA or some local fleet place might have one. Luckily FOT (FT of Tennessee) is just on the other side of the town I am broke down in.

At the moment, taking my wife home today in our toad its about 290 , then coming back here tomorrow to be ready to pounce on FOT first thing monday morn. Unless local road service contact can point me at a better path. Wife still works and must be back at work monday. Me im retired and can deal with this. Still not pleasant situation

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #18 – November 11, 2023, 09:29:40 am

Quote from: mkc1962 – November 11, 2023, 09:00:23 am

Luckily FOT (FT of Tennessee) is just on the other side of the town I am broke down in.

FT of Tennessee hasn't existed for a number of years (almost 2 decades)... That is if you mean the old Kodak location. It was bought out and renamed Tennessee RV in 2004.

It was bought out by Lazy Days in 2019. They also bought out Buddy Gregg on the west side of Knoxville not too long ago (July 2023).

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #19 – November 11, 2023, 09:39:26 am

I don't think that searching for a "Cummins 8.3 hydraulic pump" will yield anything helpful. The pump isn't anything specific to Cummins.
I doubt this is helpful, but here's what's on our '97.
Good luck.

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #20 – November 11, 2023, 09:49:46 am

Best scenario you can hope for is to remove the pump and get a model number and /or part number and look for a new pump,
that will be the quickest,second choice will be to get yours rebuilt,that will take time,the way Foretravel built the coach does
not mean every model like yours has the same pump,don"t waste time trying to move without cooling,it will not work.

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #21 – November 11, 2023, 09:56:31 am

So the late 90's models with the 8.3L have a single belt driven pump that powers both the cooling fans and the power steering? I wonder why they went to that system. Our '93 model has two completely separated hydraulic systems - each with a pump and a reservoir. Cooling fans pump is belt driven. Power steering pump is shaft driven - bolted to the end of the air compressor. Lose one pump and the other system still functions. Seems a bit more resilient to me.

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #22 – November 11, 2023, 10:39:04 am

I bet the hydraulic fan pump is built by someone to FT specs. At least on my 95 U-240 I also have two(2) separate systems. I have replaced my cooling fan pump. The oem was a John S. Barnes(Rockford, IL) and the new pump is a Sauer Danfoss(USA). FT is the only source and mine was $900 7 years ago.

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #23 – November 11, 2023, 12:19:31 pm

Quote from: pthurman48 – November 11, 2023, 10:39:04 am

I bet the hydraulic fan pump is built by someone to FT specs. The oem was a John S. Barnes(Rockford, IL) and the new pump is a Sauer Danfoss(USA). FT is the only source and mine was $900 7 years ago.

The original factory belt driven (cooling fans) pump on our coach is a Vickers V10. I rebuilt ours eight years ago using parts I found online, and it is still going strong. Seems like Foretravel used several different brands of belt driven pumps back in the day and it was pot luck what ended up on each coach.

Vickers V10 Hydraulic Pump Rebuild

There are many applications for small hydraulic pumps, and many possible variations in pump design. When Mike gets back to his coach on Monday and goes looking for a replacement pump, he will need a specific brand and model number to have any hope of success. The "model number" identifies all the features that are unique to the particular pump used on his coach, such as mounting flange bolt spacing, inlet and outlet port size and orientation, pump capacity (flow rate and volume), output pressure setting, and shaft type. The odds of finding a matching pump nearby are pretty slim, but perhaps he will get lucky!

Re: Hydraulic pump lost while out sourcing a pump

Reply #24 – November 11, 2023, 01:54:24 pm

Mine went out in durango CO in June this year. Mobile mechanic searched all local places. Fot had pump in stock, expensive. Had FOT over night part to mechanic on Monday afternoon arrived Tuesday morning in Durango installed Tuesday afternoon
Good luck.

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