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Fresh water fill valve leaking through [was Shower repair in Tucson Az]

UPDATE: Found no leak under the shower  floor nor along the pipe running to the junction for the bathroom sink by the toilet. Couldn't get my bore scope into a position to see under that section.

UPDATE 2: well I found a good and bad thing.

Good thing is that that leak wasn't what I thought it was.

Bad thing is that I'm a dumbass.

 I got up today and was able to remove the bottom shelf behind the toilet and had great access to that shower drain pipe. Not a drop of water to be found (👍😁)

the dumbass part is that I looked at our fresh tank level and it was FULL. Yet we arrived with less than 1/4.  Apparently when I hooked up to the parks cable and looped the excess over the faucet. I must have accidentally hit the tank fill momentarily on then off. The valve certainly wasn't filling at full flow. It was very very slowly filling. And why it looked like a leak than the tank overflow.

In the end it was a reminder to get back to my old habit of always turning off the park spigot at night and when we leave the park for the day.

[Topic title updated to reflect discovered issue - Michelle]
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Re: Shower repair in Tucson Az

Reply #1

It's quite possible that the leak isn't from the pipes themselves but from the drain area of the shower.
Check the access panel, which is probably hard to reach, but usually from the bedroom. You should be able to see under the base pan from there. If the leak is from the drain area leaking, you can use one of these.

WingTite Pro-Series Shower Drain, Builders Model for New Construction,...

They install entirely from the top, and will save you a lot of hours trying to get access from below.

If you have a cracked pipe, you may have to create an access from the wheel well or remove the shower entirely. Both have been done by others on the forum, a good search should find those examples.

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Reply #2
Jerry

I am not sure from your description just where the leak you see is.  When you say 'high up' do you mean at the shower head or somewhere else.  Your description didn't sound like it was a drain.

Jerre
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Reply #3
So this could be a potable water leak?

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Reply #4
Jerry

I am not sure from your description just where the leak you see is.  When you say 'high up' do you mean at the shower head or somewhere else.  Your description didn't sound like it was a drain.

Jerre
Sorry. When i was outside the coach at the rear axle. The water was coming from an area above the fresh tank over flow. I suspect it could be the drain.  The carpet in the bedroom is dry as is the subfloor under the toilet. Have no idea of how to access it.
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Reply #5
See if you get the same leak when you are not on city water.  Kiwitex has a very similar coach to yours and he probably has more ideas.
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Reply #6
I had that issue and my drain line had worked loose.
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Reply #7

if you are lucky it might be at the shower drain.

Might want to try one of these:

WingTite Pro-Series Shower Drain, Builders Model for New Construction,...

"INSTALLS IN MINUTES - Fits 2" ABS pipe and 2" PVC pipe - No below access needed"

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Reply #8
It's quite possible that the leak isn't from the pipes themselves but from the drain area of the shower.
Check the access panel, which is probably hard to reach, but usually from the bedroom. You should be able to see under the base pan from there. If the leak is from the drain area leaking, you can use one of these.

WingTite Pro-Series Shower Drain, Builders Model for New Construction,...

They install entirely from the top, and will save you a lot of hours trying to get access from below.

If you have a cracked pipe, you may have to create an access from the wheel well or remove the shower entirely. Both have been done by others on the forum, a good search should find those examples.

Thank kwikitex. Removed that panel in the bedroom as well as under the toilet. Used the bore scope i forgot about and zero water under the shower pan, nor from the pex lines running up to the mixer. Also zero water under the toilet area. Nor along the shower drain pipe. I was unable to get the scope pointed down where the shower pipe links in the sink drain pipe. Color me confused.

Also, the water that is on the ground did not have the grey tank stink.
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Reply #9
Thank kwikitex. Removed that panel in the bedroom as well as under the toilet. Used the bore scope i forgot about and zero water under the shower pan, nor from the pex lines running up to the mixer. Also zero water under the toilet area. Nor along the shower drain pipe. I was unable to get the scope pointed down where the shower pipe links in the sink drain pipe. Color me confused.

Also, the water that is on the ground did not have the grey tank stink.
I would try putting the borescope down the drain as the next step, see if you can find something that way.
If there's no obvious source then try the installing the wingtite drain cap, see if that solves the problem. It's cheap enough that if it does nothing you haven't lost much. Also while you are doing that, you will be better able to see under the shower pan for water signs.

I had this same problem last year and it turned out to be the drain cap. I was so relieved that I didn't have to pull the whole shower!
It took me about an hour to install it, but my old one was a bit of a problem to remove.
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Reply #10
Final conclusion. In the end, it ended up being a leaky fill valve. It happened again when I hooked up to city water. I made dang sure i never touched the fill button.

And what do you know. The next morning the nearly empty tank wasn't empty any longer. The overflow had a very small but constant dribble. So a valve rebuild or replacement is on the docket when we land in Tucson next week.
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Reply #11
Final conclusion. In the end, it ended up being a leaky fill valve. It happened again when I hooked up to city water. I made dang sure i never touched the fill button.

And what do you know. The next morning the nearly empty tank wasn't empty any longer. The overflow had a very small but constant dribble. So a valve rebuild or replacement is on the docket when we land in Tucson next week.


I have the same issue right now with the fill valve slowly passing water in the the fresh tank with fill switch off. For now I am running the water pump with shore off every other day, then shore water the opposite days.

Valve disassemble and cleaning on my list. Hope to get to it this coming week - possibly tomorrow.
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Reply #12
Jerry have you been using a pressure regulator. Leaks will happen without one my pressure is quite hi

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Reply #13
Jerry have you been using a pressure regulator. Leaks will happen without one my pressure is quite hi
Yep! set at 45-50 psi.

I imagine that our fill valve is old and crusted up with hard water deposits. We spend most of our time in fairly dry places that have very hard water. We do use a softener, But that isn't a cure for all the years prior.

We have owned this coach since 2015 and who knows if the fill valve was ever rebuilt or replaced prior to our time. As water 'leaks" go. This is of course quite minor and has an easy work around till we land at Justin's on Dec 10th.
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Reply #14
Yep! set at 45-50 psi.

I imagine that our fill valve is old and crusted up with hard water deposits. We spend most of our time in fairly dry places that have very hard water. We do use a softener, But that isn't a cure for all the years prior.

We have owned this coach since 2015 and who knows if the fill valve was ever rebuilt or replaced prior to our time. As water 'leaks" go. This is of course quite minor and has an easy work around till we land at Justin's on Dec 10th.

I took our water fill apart today. No rebuild parts needed on ours.

When first taking it apart I saw no apparent debris, but when I swished all non electric parts  around  in the sink full of water I filled before turning the water off, multiple small/tiny  pieces discovered. Note direction of water flow and take a pic of it mounted before removing and it's a fairly easy job. 

I'll know tomorrow if the seepage slowly filling the tank is resolved  (Edit: leak through to fresh water tank  continued after cleaning).
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Reply #15
I took our water fill apart today. No rebuild parts needed on ours.

When first taking it apart I saw no apparent debris, but when I swished all non electric parts  around  in the sink full of water I filled before turning the water off, multiple small/tiny  pieces discovered. Note direction of water flow and take a pic of it mounted before removing and it's a fairly easy job. 

I'll know tomorrow if the seepage slowly filling the tank is resolved (I think it will be).
I would feel better if I had a spare valve "just in case" or even a manual ball valve.

I'm no ludite. But the bane of most coaches are the "I'm too lazy to get out of the recliner" automatic or remote control stuff.
Carol said it best a few years ago about the fancy toilets. "I don't want a turbo turd 2000 electric toilet"
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USAF 1975-1995
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2003 Subaru Legacy touring car
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I would feel better if I had a spare valve "just in case" or even a manual ball valve.

The fill valves are pretty much standard irrigation valves.  The tough thing is that the assembly is a 12V solenoid model and most irrigation valves are now 24V solenoid ones so a drop-in replacement can be challenging to source.

Also, 199x-2001-ish era coaches have a different fill valve than 2002 and later.

Carol said it best a few years ago about the fancy toilets. "I don't want a turbo turd 2000 electric toilet"

That one is floorplan-dependent.  If the toilet isn't directly over the black tank, the solution at the time was a VacuFlush.  Nowadays, manufacturers are installing macerator toilets (which have their own issues) instead if the toilet isn't in a "go and drop" location.
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Jerry I took mine apart cleaned out the calcium and reassembled without issue. Been working fine for years

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I took our water fill apart today. No rebuild parts needed on ours.

When first taking it apart I saw no apparent debris, but when I swished all non electric parts  around  in the sink full of water I filled before turning the water off, multiple small/tiny  pieces discovered. Note direction of water flow and take a pic of it mounted before removing and it's a fairly easy job. 

I'll know tomorrow if the seepage slowly filling the tank is resolved (I think it will be).
Still seeping with water fill valve.  I found a older post by Michelle with great photos that shows complete disassembly of the valve.  I didn't tear down that far, but probably will today.

FIXED - low water flow inside coach - both shore and water pump 2003 U320 
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Reply #19
And, of course there is always the KISS solution of replace it with a manual ball valve!
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Reply #20
And, of course there is always the KISS solution of replace it with a manual ball valve!
I was thinking that would be the way to go if my valve was totally shot and needed replacing.
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Reply #21
Still seeping with water fill valve.  I found a older post by Michelle with great photos that shows complete disassembly of the valve.  I didn't tear down that far, but probably will today.

FIXED - low water flow inside coach - both shore and water pump 2003 U320 

I'd be looking carefully at the solenoid plunger seat and spring.  Or (less likely) perhaps the solenoid coil.

If you haven't replaced it, that fill valve is around 12 years old...
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Reply #22
The fill valves are pretty much standard irrigation valves.  The tough thing is that the assembly is a 12V solenoid model and most irrigation valves are now 24V solenoid ones so a drop-in replacement can be challenging to source.

Also, 199x-2001-ish era coaches have a different fill valve than 2002 and later.


Might need a change of subject line for this thread, or perhaps a breakout to a new thread?

After complete disassembly of all parts of the fill valve, thorough cleaning, it is still seeping past into the fresh water tank.  I will be looking for a replacement with the same overall length (to fit the PEX pipe threads on the valve). Or a trip to the hardware store for pipe fittings to achieve the overall length.

I see lot's of 12 volt irrigation valves on Amazon.  I should have measured the inlet and outlet while I had it out of the bay today.  1"? 3/4"?

If unable to source a 12 volt fill valve how about using a 12 volt to 24 volt step up converter to use a 24 volt fill valve? . 

2nd edit: found this that Michelle posted around 3 years ago:
Spartan Scientific

PN 4600-01-8212
3/4" NPT / 2-2NC
25MM / 150PSI
12VDC / 10Watts
NITRILE


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Reply #23
Might need a change of subject line for this thread, or perhaps a breakout to a new thread?

Topic title updated  :)
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Re: Fresh water fill valve leaking through [was Shower repair in Tucson Az]

Reply #24
What is the thread size/type from the pex to the water fill valve?

On the  pex end, 1/2" FPT? 1/2" FNPT? 1/2" NPSM?

On connecting in from the fill valve, 1/2" MPT, MNPT, NPSM?
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