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Re: Opinions on short 34' pusher

Reply #25
I've been looking for a nimbus 34-38ft myself. I'd prefer the shortest unit possible, capable of towing 15k. Finding a clean coach priced even within 10% of book value has been impossible though. Does anyone have a recommendation of where I might look? I'm after a pre-def, pre-dpf cummins unit and that's really my only criteria outside tow capacity
Book value is completely irrelevant with Foretravels
1987 Grand Villa ORED
2001 U320 4010

Not all that wander are lost... but I often am.

Re: Opinions on short 34' pusher

Reply #26
tell my bank that :)


Re: Opinions on short 34' pusher

Reply #28
I've been looking for a nimbus 34-38ft myself. I'd prefer the shortest unit possible, capable of towing 15k.

No 34' Nimbus coaches were built; that was a U270-only entity. 

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Finding a clean coach priced even within 10% of book value has been impossible though.

"Book" value is meaningless for a Foretravel.  "Book", meaning something like NADA pricing, is derived from dealer reported sales.  Given the miniscule volume of Foretravels built (compared to things like Thor, Jayco, Tiffin, etc.), there isn't any reported sales data.  Entities like NADA simply use the average class A sales data for low-volume brands.

The last Nimbus was built somewhere around 2013.  Most banks won't lend on an over-10 year old RV.
Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

Re: Opinions on short 34' pusher Or this 38 Ft

Reply #29
Older but 38 foot with tag, ISM 500 and 4000 series transmission.

Dennis
Bohemia NY
2008 Nimbus 342 SE Carlyle
Dennis Haynes
Bohemia NY
2008 Nimbus 342 SE Carlyle
Build #6475
Motorcade #19148

Re: Opinions on short 34' pusher

Reply #30
No 34' Nimbus coaches were built; that was a U270-only entity. 



"Book" value is meaningless for a Foretravel.  "Book", meaning something like NADA pricing, is derived from dealer reported sales.  Given the miniscule volume of Foretravels built (compared to things like Thor, Jayco, Tiffin, etc.), there isn't any reported sales data.  Entities like NADA simply use the average class A sales data for low-volume brands.

The last Nimbus was built somewhere around 2013.  Most banks won't lend on an over-10 year old RV.

There are finance companies that finance older RV and boats. Plan on higher interest and down payments. I just financed/purchased a 2008 Nimbus for 12 years.
Dennis Haynes
Bohemia NY
2008 Nimbus 342 SE Carlyle
Build #6475
Motorcade #19148

Re: Opinions on short 34' pusher

Reply #31
We looked at this. At one point it was listed for $160K or so.

https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2007-Foretravel-Nimbus+336-5031570654

Dennis
Bohemia NY
2008 Nimbus 342 SE Carlyle
I looked at that one too. I see the price is much more reasonable with the current condition. I might revisit it now. Thanks

No 34' Nimbus coaches were built; that was a U270-only entity.
You sure? 2006 Foretravel Nimbus 343B Diesel Pusher for Sale Consignment RV I'd love to drop a model from my searches



Re: Opinions on short 34' pusher

Reply #32
I looked at that one too. I see the price is much more reasonable with the current condition. I might revisit it now. Thanks


You sure? 2006 Foretravel Nimbus 343B Diesel Pusher for Sale Consignment RV I'd love to drop a model from my searches

2006 Nimbus was simply a rebadged U-series.  These were the builds right after the group led by Lyle Reed bought Foretravel from the Fore family.  Very few were made total (maybe in the teens, but that would be optimistic - Foretravel's production was focused on the introduction of the Phenix) and that's likely the only 34' unit.  It's unclear what engine/transmission is in it (listing doesn't say), and it's unlikely to have more than 10K tow capacity (especially if it doesn't have an ISM/Allison 4000).

2007 was the first year the Nimbus was a new model.
Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

Re: Opinions on short 34' pusher

Reply #33
I've been looking for a nimbus 34-38ft myself. I'd prefer the shortest unit possible, capable of towing 15k. Finding a clean coach priced even within 10% of book value has been impossible though. Does anyone have a recommendation of where I might look? I'm after a pre-def, pre-dpf cummins unit and that's really my only criteria outside tow capacity
I'm not sure I've seen a pre-dpf/DEF coach with a 15k towing capacity, regardless of size.  Have you?  I'm sure some of the newer coaches with the 500+hp engines may have that kind of capacity.  15k really is toterhome territory if you want the factory rating, although I know MULTIPLE people that tow more than 15k with their 10k factory rated coaches with reinforced hitches, but that sticker still says 10k. 
2000 U320 4010

Re: Opinions on short 34' pusher Towing capacities

Reply #34
Much of the Foretravel lines including the older stuff has substantial towing capacities and generous engine and transmission options. In part due to their custom in house chassis and air disc brakes. ISL engines at 400HP are the smallest, ISM 450 or 500 are common on 38 tags and larger until they were no longer available. ISX 605 on all the really good stuff like Phenix and IH 45. Most have transmission retarders instead of engine or exhaust brakes. My 2008 Nimbus towing capacity is 18,000 pounds. 

Dennis
Dennis Haynes
Bohemia NY
2008 Nimbus 342 SE Carlyle
Build #6475
Motorcade #19148

Re: Opinions on short 34' pusher

Reply #35
Much of the Foretravel lines including the older stuff has substantial towing capacities and generous engine and transmission options. In part due to their custom in house chassis and air disc brakes. ISL engines at 400HP are the smallest, ISM 450 or 500 are common on 38 tags and larger until they were no longer available. ISX 605 on all the really good stuff like Phenix and IH 45. Most have transmission retarders instead of engine or exhaust brakes. My 2008 Nimbus towing capacity is 18,000 pounds. 

Dennis

I just checked the wiki Foretravel Specifications, Floorplans & Brochures and found the towing info

1996 was the last year of 6,000 lb towing capacity
2004 was the last year of 10,000 lb towing
2005 had 15,000 lb towing
2006 Nimbus (although we don't have the brochure to verify) 18,000 lbs.  400 ISL with Allison 3000 transmission

So OP can search as far back as 2005 if he wants 15K towing, but understand that 2005 and 2006 were transition years and much lower volume (Foretravel almost went bankrupt in the 2004/2005 timeframe before being sold to the investment group.)  There's a chart on the forum showing build numbers plotted against model year and there's a very sharp bend point showing significantly lower production volumes starting in those years.

Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

Re: Opinions on short 34' pusher

Reply #36
I just checked the wiki Foretravel Specifications, Floorplans & Brochures and found the towing info

1996 was the last year of 6,000 lb towing capacity
2004 was the last year of 10,000 lb towing
2005 had 15,000 lb towing
2006 Nimbus (although we don't have the brochure to verify) 18,000 lbs.  400 ISL with Allison 3000 transmission

So OP can search as far back as 2005 if he wants 15K towing, but understand that 2005 and 2006 were transition years and much lower volume (Foretravel almost went bankrupt in the 2004/2005 timeframe before being sold to the investment group.)  There's a chart on the forum showing build numbers plotted against model year and there's a very sharp bend point showing significantly lower production volumes starting in those years.

Interesting!! 18000 lbs with ISL and Allison 3000.  So the tow rating limitations on the U320's must be chassis based.  I know it would never in this world happen, but it would be interesting to see the actual engineering chassis design & analysis that ends up with the the difference in ratings between the 10k rated 320 chassis and the 18k rated Nimbus.  Rhetorical question - is it as simple as upgrading the receiver hitch on a 320?  Its obvious the drivetrain isn't the limiting factor here.
2000 U320 4010

Re: Opinions on short 34' pusher

Reply #37
I just checked the wiki Foretravel Specifications, Floorplans & Brochures and found the towing info

1996 was the last year of 6,000 lb towing capacity
2004 was the last year of 10,000 lb towing
2005 had 15,000 lb towing
2006 Nimbus (although we don't have the brochure to verify) 18,000 lbs.  400 ISL with Allison 3000 transmission

So OP can search as far back as 2005 if he wants 15K towing, but understand that 2005 and 2006 were transition years and much lower volume (Foretravel almost went bankrupt in the 2004/2005 timeframe before being sold to the investment group.)  There's a chart on the forum showing build numbers plotted against model year and there's a very sharp bend point showing significantly lower production volumes starting in those years.

As an off-topic side bar note, which I know the forum moderation team despise here, the work that has gone into the Foretravel Wiki page is impressive.  Like wickedly impressive.  Bravo, and thank you. 
2000 U320 4010


Re: Opinions on short 34' pusher

Reply #39
Interesting stuff.  So in reading the brochure for the 2005, it states: " 18,000 lb rated receiver hitch". 

The photos Dennis just posted do not state anything about towing capacity, only that the CCC can be affected by towed vehicle tongue weight. 

So is the tow rating of the U320 100% driven by the receiver hitch attached to the frame? Would you technically be within legal limits upgrading the receiver hitch, and staying within the GCVWR & axle loads on the chassis tag?  I'll have to look at my tags adjacent to the drivers seat on my U320 later tonight to see if it states anything about towing capacity of the chassis/coach. 
2000 U320 4010

Re: Opinions on short 34' pusher Weight ratings.

Reply #40
The one tag shows the GCWR as 60,000 pounds. The GVWR is 46,800 pounds. That leaves over 18,000 pounds between fully loaded vehicle and the combination. Note the trailer-toad needs it's own brakes. If you look at the build in the back this is no typical raised rail chassis with bolt on extensions and the camper box sitting on top.  The cooling system especially for the transmission is up to the task.
Dennis Haynes
Bohemia NY
2008 Nimbus 342 SE Carlyle
Build #6475
Motorcade #19148

Re: Opinions on short 34' pusher

Reply #41
The one tag shows the GCWR as 60,000 pounds. The GVWR is 46,800 pounds. That leaves over 18,000 pounds between fully loaded vehicle and the combination. Note the trailer-toad needs it's own brakes. If you look at the build in the back this is no typical raised rail chassis with bolt on extensions and the camper box sitting on top.  The cooling system especially for the transmission is up to the task.
Got it.  I see it. GCVWR definitely comes into play. 
2000 U320 4010

Re: Opinions on short 34' pusher

Reply #42
The one tag shows the GCWR as 60,000 pounds. The GVWR is 46,800 pounds. That leaves over 18,000 pounds between fully loaded vehicle and the combination.

I get 13,200 lbs as the difference between GCWR and GVWR
Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

Re: Opinions on short 34' pusher Oops!

Reply #43
oops, sorry, yes some of that 18,000 hitch capacity comes out of the 8,132 pounds cargo carrying capacity for this example.
Dennis Haynes
Bohemia NY
2008 Nimbus 342 SE Carlyle
Build #6475
Motorcade #19148

Re: Opinions on short 34' pusher

Reply #44
I might have just found a very freshly gone through unit with an ism 500, tag axle, and 18k hitch! Seems like a very rare unit indeed based on the production volume of 04. Thanks to @Michelle for letting me know the 04/05 u series would fit the bill too! Would anyone have an inspector they'd recommend in the southeast for such a beast?

Re: Opinions on short 34' pusher

Reply #45
Where in the south east? I'm not a professional inspector, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last week.  ;D
1991 U300 Side Aisle 6V92 Silver #3897
2004 U320 40' #6246

Re: Opinions on short 34' pusher

Reply #46
Keith Risch,  9 three 6. 4 six 2. 3764.  Leave a message and send a test too.  Mention you need an inspection.  Busy man.
Rudy Legett
2003 U320 4010 ISM 450 hp
2001 U320 4220 ISM 450 hp
1995 U320 M11 400 hp
1990 Granvilla 300 hp 3208T
Aqua Hot Service Houston and Southeast Texas

Re: Opinions on short 34' pusher

Reply #47
I might have just found a very freshly gone through unit with an ism 500, tag axle, and 18k hitch! Seems like a very rare unit indeed based on the production volume of 04.

I think I see that on Trader - wow - serious amount of work on that PDI.  Very little interior wear.  New AH controller, new aux compressor.  They state new slide bladders in the ad, but it doesn't show on the work order.

Did you verify they still have it?  The date on the ad is August 15, 2022 (and has an error that you caught - it's 500 hp not 550.  I don't think Cummins can/will tune/uprate the ISM to 550.)

Note that 2004 had 10K towing, not 15K (unless this was upgraded).  2005 was officially the first year for 15K+

Looks like a really nice find, and it's about 6 hours from Nac. 
Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

Re: Opinions on short 34' pusher

Reply #48
Interesting stuff.  So in reading the brochure for the 2005, it states: " 18,000 lb rated receiver hitch". 

The photos Dennis just posted do not state anything about towing capacity, only that the CCC can be affected by towed vehicle tongue weight. 

So is the tow rating of the U320 100% driven by the receiver hitch attached to the frame? Would you technically be within legal limits upgrading the receiver hitch, and staying within the GCVWR & axle loads on the chassis tag?  I'll have to look at my tags adjacent to the drivers seat on my U320 later tonight to see if it states anything about towing capacity of the chassis/coach.
NO. Only the manufacture can increase tow limits. Many people say they can increase the tow limits but they are not correct in saying this. During the original design build the engineers determine how much liability they want to be exposed to and the ratings of the chassis, axles. Brakes, tires any anything else they want to include. Wish it could be done. Sadly our coaches probably could have been rated higher than they are, however only Foretravel has the power to change that. I so wish there was a workaround.

Re: Opinions on short 34' pusher Which coach are looking at?

Reply #49
So which coach are you looking at? I may be familiar with it.  have been shopping since last fall. We also started looking for the smaller units and new. At some point I gave though to going for something better built even if old as I experienced basically junking the 2004 Tropi-Cal that I had since new. As I wanted something to deal with Grandkids and a "party" bus for Nascar and concerts with friends I ended up getting the 42 footer. The ISM moves it along almost like a car, the brakes are awesome.

here is a link for the 2008 Brochure. Note it shows a 34 Ft as available.
Microsoft services

This is the one I now have.
2008 Foretravel Nimbus 42′ | Premier RV

I flew around a bit to look at a number of them.

Dennis


Dennis Haynes
Bohemia NY
2008 Nimbus 342 SE Carlyle
Build #6475
Motorcade #19148