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HWH issues (1998)

I previously have been concerned about my auxiliary compressor operation and whether it works or not. I Have not located a fuse and as far as I know is getting 12 volt power
So... i am at a campsite and auto leveled ( the site was not that level to my liking) and the front end when leveled was quite high and the rear tires were resting on the wheel wells, but the coach did level. Turned the key off and the level light was dim and flickered like it should. Every so often( 30 minutes or so) the system would come alive and there would be burst of air pressure being reset as it releveled
Now here is where the issue is
After a couple days I noticed the red level light was off. I pushed the level button and the light would come on. Within about 10 minutes the light would go off. Why and is there an issue??
Also not once did I hear the compressor come on during this and the front end is now lower than when it was originally leveled
Anyone have suggestions or have this happen and what should I be investigating?
I probably am going to start up the coach, get air pressure again and  re level again to  start
Peter
Peter    Alberta Canada
'98 U320 40'  Build 5359 M11 450 HP, Aqua hot, Blu Ox

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Reply #1
Did you locate the resettable 12V breaker in the basement?
Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

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Reply #2
Yes and it appears to be ok (pushed in and not popped out)
Peter    Alberta Canada
'98 U320 40'  Build 5359 M11 450 HP, Aqua hot, Blu Ox

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Reply #3
Most of these systems have a pressure gauge at the compressor.  Does yours?  If so, how much pressure is it showing?
Keith
2003 U320 38' #6197

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Reply #4
I don't see any pressure gauge at my unit
Peter    Alberta Canada
'98 U320 40'  Build 5359 M11 450 HP, Aqua hot, Blu Ox

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Reply #5
The Thomas pump head and other stuff appear to be mounted above the viewable area from this picture.  Have you look in from the side?
Keith
2003 U320 38' #6197

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Reply #6
On my 2008 it appears that the pressure switch for the compressor maintains a set pressure mostly to be available for the slide bladders. When the system calls for air to inflate a bag for leveling the compressor runs even if the pressure switch is satisfied.

There are 2 separate operations/air destinations for the aux compressor output in a slide-equipped coach.

There is a small tank used for the slide bladders (and only for the slide bladders).  The aux compressor will run to maintain the pressure for the slide bladders.

The plumbing for the airbags for leveling is completely independent of that tank - if air bags need to be inflated to raise part of the coach to achieve or maintain level without the main engine running, the aux compressor runs to feed the leveling system. 

In 2006 and older coaches, the only pressure gauges on/near the aux compressor I've ever seen were added by owners.  There was not a gauge as part of the original plumbing.  (I haven't looked at the newer setups closely)
Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

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Reply #7
I previously have been concerned about my auxiliary compressor operation and whether it works or not.
Also not once did I hear the compressor come on during this and the front end is now lower than when it was originally leveled
Expanding on what Dennis and Michelle said (above), the HWH system has a simple set of "rules" it follows during auto-level operation.  Basically, if it senses an "out of level" condition it will initially try to correct by releasing air from some of the air bags.  If this maneuver is unsuccessful, then it will try adding air to some of the air bags.  It will try to use air pressure in the air tanks for this purpose.  If system pressure is insufficient, then the HWH aux air compressor will run.  If the coach is out of level, and the system calls for the aux compressor to run, but the compressor does not respond, then the "Excess Slope" light should illuminate and the system will basically give up trying to achieve level.

You can do a simple test to see if the HWH aux compressor is operational.  With the big engine off, reduce the air system pressure to below about 60 psi.  You can do this by either letting it leak down by itself, or by releasing air pressure through the tank drain valves.  With the air system pressure below 60 psi, big engine off, and ignition key off, push the "AIR" button on the HWH panel one time to turn the system on.  With the system on, press any "UP" arrow (or the "RAISE" button) and the aux compressor should come on.  With everything off in the coach, you should be able to hear the aux compressor running.  If not, have someone open the bay door and listen.

If the aux compressor DOES run, then there's nothing wrong with the air compressor, and the problem lies elsewhere.

If the aux compressor does NOT run, then the problem is a bad compressor or something in the circuit that supplies power to the compressor motor.  This could be a bad wire, bad wiring connector, bad pressure switch, etc.

Link to the HWH Air Leveling Systems Text Book:    https://www.hwhcorp.com/ml20635.pdf

1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

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Reply #8
Here are gauges that I added to test-monitor the slide bladders.
https://1drv.ms/i/s!AqaEiIhKCAKbkrp4mDIknaQ35V8d1w?e=jfVIsP
Note there are also a few other tricks to the air compressor installation including check valves and an unloader solenoid. When the compressor is turned off the piping between the compressor and check valves is opened so the next compressor start up is unloaded preventing it from stalling and burning out. For leveling the air supply is completely isolated from the chassis air supply.
Dennis Haynes
Bohemia NY
2008 Nimbus 342 SE Carlyle
Build #6475
Motorcade #19148

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Reply #9
Have to be aware that, in this thread, we have participants with coaches made a decade apart.  The OP has a 1998 U320.  We have members Dennis and Res777, both trying to help, but they both own 2008 Nimbus models.  I suspect (but don't know for a fact) that there may be differences in the way the aux air compressor functions, and the way the air tanks and air lines are connected/routed, in those different model year coaches.

I'm thinking it might be helpful in these "air system" discussions if members would mention what leveling system they have as a preface to their comments.  That way we will know if we are talking about similar systems, or totally different systems.  Might help all of us learn more about how the different HWH leveling systems operate.

As for me, my comments are based solely on my experience with the HWH 600 Series leveling system in a 1993 U280.  TIFWIW

See the link below for a quick overview of the different HWH leveling systems and how to identify:

https://hwhcorp.com/ml17785_01_nom_pr_lesy.pdf

1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

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Reply #10
A couple of ways to test if the pump is functioning. One turn the key on for your slides. If the amber light stops flashing it's made the vacuum switch.

Earlier coaches with slides (2000, 2001, I believe) were time-based, not vacuum.  That was added later (2002-ish)

OP Peter's coach does not have a slide so does not have a key to turn.

ETA - I've updated the topic title to reflect the generation of coach/HWH leveling in question.
Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320


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Reply #12
Thanks for all the replies and the update on my coach info. 1998 with no slides series 600.
I have checked ALL the wiring etc so I am down to a possibly a new compressor (still bewilders me about why the red light goes out without an excess slope or something coming on).
Can the smaller 1/4 Thomas be replaced with larger newer Thomas as a "plug and play"?
I really do not want to modify too much in that bay and area
Peter    Alberta Canada
'98 U320 40'  Build 5359 M11 450 HP, Aqua hot, Blu Ox

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Reply #13
Peter, check out this current thread. Jim.     

Auxiliary Compressor wire size
Jim and Dona
2002 U295 36'
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Reply #14
Peter, follow Chuck's thread and do the test to see if the compressor will come on. After 9 years of owning the coach I pumped the brakes and got the air pressure below 60 psi. and hit the air button once then the up button and my son could hear the compressor come on. It never comes on automatically as it should and after talking to a HWH rep. my pressure switch is the problem. Because my air system doesn't leak down I have not emptied the bay to get to the switch and it is on the very back burner for me.
1999 40 ft. U-320 wtfe build 5563 Chuck & Lynda's "Rollin' Inn"  2030 watts solar
prev. mh's 71 GMC 5 yrs. 73 Pace Setter 1 yr. 78 Vogue 5 yrs 81 FTX 40ft all electric 18 yrs. 1996 Monaco Signature 3 yrs.
2014 Grand Cherokee Overland
Dream as if you will live forever. Live as if you will die today.  James Dean

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Reply #15
I moved the posts related to 2008 coaches to their own topic since they could confuse the discussion.

Let's focus on Peter's issue with his 1998 here. 
Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

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Reply #16
Since I have had my coach I never had heard my compressor come on until I was at Scott's place on
my way to Q this year. The coach was leaking down then if I left the coach in level mode. I probably
have a leak in the six pack. what I have done since is level the coach and then put it back in travel mode
and it will stay fine for about a week. A couple of years after I got the coach I jump the compressor and
found it would work and as I had never needed it before I didn't think about it until I hear it come on at
Scott's  place.
Peter and Frieda Morin
1999 36ft. U320 Foretravel
Build # 5436
1998 Suzuki Sidekick Sport