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Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #225
By the way, any easy way to cut the caulking or silicone around the panel covering the driver side tank to be able to remove it?
nope brute force, they put it there to stay. The problem is all the adhesive they put on the rack of the cover to the tank
Bruce, Linda, and Macy
Zoey RIP 1/20/19
1999 U295 40' build #5400
2017 silver Jeep Wrangler, 1260 watts of solar on top
Moving around the country

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #226
Any way , lets say some elbow grease removed the cover, what is the stuff to glue it back when hopefully done

Do i pull both generator hoses together, or one at the time
Does generator slide out?
Do i connect the new hoses from tank side and pull them from Gen. side?
Or connect new hoses on Generator side and pull them from tank side
Same with engine hoses please advise

By the way is the vent hose long enough to allow tank being pulled out from passenger side? If not  i may need to connect a new hose to the hanging end ( by bulkhead ) using hose clamps and probably duct tape to provide a smooth travel
In this case what kind of hose is that and how is connected to the tank


Edmond
1998 Foretravel U295
Turlock Ca

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #227
The generator pulls out. there is two 5/16 bolts that needs to be undo and then it pulls out.
When you get the covers  off you might be able to see the vent line.
Peter and Frieda Morin
1999 36ft. U320 Foretravel
Build # 5436
1998 Suzuki Sidekick Sport

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #228
Which covers?
Sorry folks
It's my first RV ownership
I'm like a student on the job training
And I appreciate all of you guys patience
Edmond
1998 Foretravel U295
Turlock Ca

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #229
The fuel tank covers, the ones that are a bitch to remove.
Peter and Frieda Morin
1999 36ft. U320 Foretravel
Build # 5436
1998 Suzuki Sidekick Sport

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #230
there are fuel tank covers behind generator? and they need to be removed ?
or you are talking about the fuel tank cover plate on driver side next to house batteries compartment
i am starting to getting to think, that it could be much easier to cut the floor
i heard a lot from most owners, that pulling the tank out is easy, may be they didn't talk about pulling generator hoses?
before receiving reply #229, i was making a list of preparation to replace my hoses
hope Oldguy will explain what he means by fuel tank covers (with S ) where are they? how many covers must be removed in order to pull the tank out? any pictures?

Edmond
1998 Foretravel U295
Turlock Ca


Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #232
Thank you,  I have read all of those and maybe some more because I am trying to be comfortable attempting this project
But still have following Questions
1-pulling the generator out, will it stand on its own track or it should be set on some kind of stand?
2- does anyone have Part number for the connectors needed on Trident hoses?
I know if I can remove my existing ones carefully, I can use them on new hoses
But I need to order a male to male coupler of all three sizes,  also one  push on connector for each size hose , to get my new hoses ready ( ahead of time ) to connect to the existing ones when tank is out
Does anyone have the Part numbers for those?
3- do I remove the side door with its hinges attached?
4-sorry that I didn't pay attention, but I think there is some kind of gasket or caulking behind the frame of the door opening, Is it a Gasket or some kind of caulking or silicone?
Please advise what is it to purchase?
5- also there is some kind of caulking or silicon on the driver side, fuel tank plate and some adhesive at attaching it to the tank
Please advise what I should use to put it back
Edmond
1998 Foretravel U295
Turlock Ca

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #233
A local hydraulic shop suggest that the reusable fittings are much better than  push on ones
Does anyone agree ? since I am buying new ones I prefer to buy the best
Edmond
Edmond
1998 Foretravel U295
Turlock Ca

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #234
The covers are where the fuel filler go through. The generator is on a pull out. You just remove the 5/16
bolts and the pull. Remove the hinges by undoing the Torx bolts and the hinges stay on the door. There
silicone behind the frame.
Peter and Frieda Morin
1999 36ft. U320 Foretravel
Build # 5436
1998 Suzuki Sidekick Sport

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #235
This is the first time I hear that there are some panels to be removed in order to replace the hoses

The only panel I was told to be removed was the one attached to the other end of my tank and driver side,  which is to separate the fuel compartment with the battery compartment
And there is no panel on the passenger side
Do you have any pictures?
Edmond
1998 Foretravel U295
Turlock Ca

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #236
The one on the battery side is the one that is being talked about. You should only pull one hose at a time to the generator, so that you don't get them mixed up. I can guarantee you one thing is that you will get very dirty pulling new hoses. I always felt like a little dirt never hurt anyone. If I remember correctly I didn't use anything to reattach the fiberglass panel because there were screws that hold it in place.
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1997 U 270 36 ft build number 5174 8.3 Cummins

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #237
A local hydraulic shop suggest that the reusable fittings are much better than  push on ones
Does anyone agree ? since I am buying new ones I prefer to buy the best
Edmond
the push on ones are the " reusable ones" !!!


Bruce, Linda, and Macy
Zoey RIP 1/20/19
1999 U295 40' build #5400
2017 silver Jeep Wrangler, 1260 watts of solar on top
Moving around the country

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #238
He showed me this as re useable, fitting can be removed without cutting the hose
I am aware that ours are reuse able as well
Edmond
1998 Foretravel U295
Turlock Ca

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #239
Here are two pictures from both side of my tank
No plate or cover on passenger side
Driver side panel has only three screws
If they were enough to hold the cover in place, they wouldn't be using adhesive to glue it to the tank
Now, are there more covers to remove?
Per Oldguy, behind generator Panel where?
By the way , WHICH FILTER GOING THROUGH WHAT?
sorry i may be confused, but i like to review whole  procedure ahead of time to do the job correctly

Edmond
Edmond
1998 Foretravel U295
Turlock Ca

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #240
He showed me this as re useable, fitting can be removed without cutting the hose
I am aware that ours are reuse able as well
I . I reused my old fittings, it's been 7/8 years no problem.
Bruce, Linda, and Macy
Zoey RIP 1/20/19
1999 U295 40' build #5400
2017 silver Jeep Wrangler, 1260 watts of solar on top
Moving around the country

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #241
Hi guys, I just placed an order for the hoses Trident as those posted and reply number 200

But when I asked the company about push on fittings, he said " we don't have the push on fittings for this hose. We have clamp on filling "
or maybe he said crimp on fitting I may have heard it wrong.
But anyway, I told them send me the hoses for now assuming as most of you mentioned, the existing feelings will fit the new Trident hoses
I ordered them from Fisheries Supply
SKU. 126461.  125973.  125971.
Can any of you confirm if I order the correct hose?
Thank you all
Edmond
Edmond
1998 Foretravel U295
Turlock Ca

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #242
As I said way back they don't recommend push on fittings for trident hose. But myself and a few others reused the old fittings and no issues. However DO NOT put hose clamps on the push on fittings. I did put a black tie wrap on mine. As I said I did my fuel lines a 7 or so years ago. Your call new fittings$$$ old fittings free.
Bruce, Linda, and Macy
Zoey RIP 1/20/19
1999 U295 40' build #5400
2017 silver Jeep Wrangler, 1260 watts of solar on top
Moving around the country

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #243
Thank you bbeane
Edmond
1998 Foretravel U295
Turlock Ca

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #244
Do I insert the hoses inside a braided jacket before pushing them through
I believe I read somewhere that the braided jackets can prevent the hoses from animals and rubbing damage. Also, they mentioned the jacket will make them easier to slide.

Have anybody experienced this?
Edmond
1998 Foretravel U295
Turlock Ca

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #245
Didn't use them on mine.
Bruce, Linda, and Macy
Zoey RIP 1/20/19
1999 U295 40' build #5400
2017 silver Jeep Wrangler, 1260 watts of solar on top
Moving around the country

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #246
Another update
Today , I Filled a five gallon canister, to feed diesel I tried to start the engine after priming
It did not stay running
Unplugged the solenoid and zip tied it in up position
Primed and started the engine, it did die shortly
Removed the solenoid all together ( it felt hot) and tied up the injection pump's valve using Zip ties
Filled up the canister again ( because most of the fuels drains back in tank through the return line)

This tells me that on top of having air in the system, the solenoid is either bad because was hot, or its out of adjustment
E( plunger goes all the way up but the valve is not 100% open?)

This time It sure ran and  stayed running, after air pressure was built , I raised it up and quickly run out (Before my fuel in canister finish) and start placing the safely blocks
UNFORTUNATELY
I was able to place only 7 of them and it wasn't because i didn't have enough pressure, the gauges were showing 130 and 110 PSI
Yet the coach wouldn't rise more

PREVIOUS OWNER HAD A 4x4 WOOD BLOCK WHICH WAS 9 3/4" I USED THAT

PLEASE ADVISE WHAT COULD CAUSE THIS?
My blocks are 11 3/4" on the front driver side
I was able to place the one behind the wheel, but i only had 10" room in front of the wheel, and my block wouldn't fit
I placed the 9 3/4 tall wooden block as better than nothing

Check my post on safety blocks page


Edmond
1998 Foretravel U295
Turlock Ca

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #247
Edmond,

You need to keep holding the RAISE button until both air pressure gauges show max system pressure 130 psi.

Try following the procedure in the link below.  See if it works any better.  You should not have to hurry installing the blocks, if you follow the procedure.
The coach should stay in the fully raised position for a long time, even without the blocks in place.

Safety Stand Placement
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Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #248
After you got it all the way up you need to hold the raise button until you shut off the engine.
If the key is on the HWH will go into travel mode and it will start dropping.

The solenoid will get hot and it sounds like it is not adjusted properly.
Peter and Frieda Morin
1999 36ft. U320 Foretravel
Build # 5436
1998 Suzuki Sidekick Sport

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #249
One other thing is that if the location you are at is not flat, it's possible that one corner may not fully come up.  My safety blocks are pieces of 4x4 wood which stand on end, so in some cases, I've had to turn them on their side and add some 2x4's when I couldn't get one corner up enough to get the blocks in standing up.
Keith
2003 U320 38' #6197