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Re: Engine dies after less than one minute

Reply #50
Starting a new post is very confusing in regards to what you have done in your prior post. Very good information was given but we don't know what you have done. 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

See this topic as well with history on the need to prime the coach's engine for each start Fuel transfer pump
Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

Re: Engine dies after less than one minute

Reply #51
MIKE, where is the best  location that I can take pictures from the hoses?
I probably can do take pictures from generator because some hoes are exposed there
The ones on the fuel tank even hard to see
on the engine side which hoses are  the one I should take picture of
which one is the fuel delivery line? I believe the one that brings fuel to primary filter? Or to water separator.?
And which one would be the return line?
Just give me a hint what you look for to take picture of and share them with you

Edmond


Are the fuel hoses Aeroquip? If so they are most likely OEM as most people replace with a different hose. If you can't tell what brand hose you have post a pic. as we might be able to tell by looking as Aeroquip has a distinctive jacket wrap. I'm betting on bad hose.

Mike
Edmond
1998 Foretravel U295
Turlock Ca

Re: Engine dies after less than one minute

Reply #52
The best place for a pic. should be where the supply line enters the fuel filter.

Mike
Pamela & Mike 97 U 320

"It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters."

Re: Engine dies after less than one minute

Reply #53
The 98 came with bare rubber hoses. The easiest place to check is where the hoses hook to the water separator. If you see any cracking where the hose goes over the fittings then you will know. Also check the hose that goes to the generator.
previous 1984 35 ft ORED 250 HP 3208 Cat       
previous 1998 40 ft U295 CAI 325 hp Cummins
previous 2003 40 Ft u320 build #6140 450 Cummins M11.                                                         
1999 Mazda Miata
Ron, Nancy, Tipper the cat, Max The dog
1997 U 270 36 ft build number 5174 8.3 Cummins

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #54
Post 40 starts a merge of 2 topics with the same question.  It's best to keep all the information in one place so that members can follow what has and has not been done/tried.

Michelle
Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #55
OK, MIKE, but in order to pull the tank halfway out, the hoses must be disconnected on the engine bay and on the generator to allow tank to be dragged out
Note: there must be some kind of fish line attached to the disconnected hoses to be able to fish the new hose in
Correct?
To do so I need to know if the hoses have some kind of straps or zip ties along the road inside the tunnel
Please advise

Edmond,
1. Half way out. This will allow you to access the hose fittings on top of the tank. Once loose then you can pull the tank the rest of the way out. You can leave the tank setting half way out but you will find that it will be in the way causing undue frustration.
2. Refer to #1
3. all I have seen are just laying in the table tray. With out the Aqua Hot unit I have in the past been able to just tie new hose to the old hose and pull in the new hose into place.

Mike
Edmond
1998 Foretravel U295
Turlock Ca

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #56
The generator starts and runs. Is it possible that the air can get into the system from there?
Edmond


The 98 came with bare rubber hoses. The easiest place to check is where the hoses hook to the water separator. If you see any cracking where the hose goes over the fittings then you will know. Also check the hose that goes to the generator.
Edmond
1998 Foretravel U295
Turlock Ca

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #57
MIKE , I wonder why the tank was made so tall, not to allow replacement of the hoses without pulling it out?
What if when the tank is out take it to an aluminum shop have them modify either the whole top of the tank to drop it like 3 inches which may reduce the capacity I don't know by how many gallons or modify just the middle of the tank top where the hoses are connected to drop that section lower for Future access to the hoses without pulling out the tank
I know some people may say this will take 10 years to have such a need again, but it cuts the whole labor much down
I have no idea about what that may cost, but the next owner of the RV we will appreciate it

Edmond

OK, MIKE, but in order to pull the tank halfway out, the hoses must be disconnected on the engine bay and on the generator to allow tank to be dragged out
Note: there must be some kind of fish line attached to the disconnected hoses to be able to fish the new hose in
Correct?
To do so I need to know if the hoses have some kind of straps or zip ties along the road inside the tunnel
Please advise
Edmond
1998 Foretravel U295
Turlock Ca

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #58
One more question for you guys
Is it possible that the rubber pump on top of the water separator could be caused of the air getting into the system?
Wouldn't be leaking diesel if that's the source
By the way, I am planning to replace the return check valve, which I ordered today since I noticed one of the members problem was the check valve hopefully that will solve my problem before getting into replacing the hoses
So far, I have a new solenoid, a new lift pump, two new filters, primary and water separator
And now I'm planning to install a new check valve
I'm crossing my fingers that this would solve the problem before the Hose project

Edmond

MIKE , I wonder why the tank was made so tall, not to allow replacement of the hoses without pulling it out?
What if when the tank is out take it to an aluminum shop have them modify either the whole top of the tank to drop it like 3 inches which may reduce the capacity I don't know by how many gallons or modify just the middle of the tank top where the hoses are connected to drop that section lower for Future access to the hoses without pulling out the tank
I know some people may say this will take 10 years to have such a need again, but it cuts the whole labor much down
I have no idea about what that may cost, but the next owner of the RV we will appreciate it

Edmond
Edmond
1998 Foretravel U295
Turlock Ca

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #59
If you do replace the hoses, when you pull the tank out there is enough excess hose to let it be pulled out enough to unhook the hoses from the fittings in the center of the tank. There are hoses on end of top of the tank that you have to remove in order to pull the tank out. I marked them and the fittings they came off of with colored wire zip ties. I also drew a picture of it to. None of the ones that I have done, had ties on the lines in the overhead tunnel. I used the old hose to pull the new hose in.
previous 1984 35 ft ORED 250 HP 3208 Cat       
previous 1998 40 ft U295 CAI 325 hp Cummins
previous 2003 40 Ft u320 build #6140 450 Cummins M11.                                                         
1999 Mazda Miata
Ron, Nancy, Tipper the cat, Max The dog
1997 U 270 36 ft build number 5174 8.3 Cummins

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #60
Sorry for the late response. No, it is not plugged in

Edmond


Is the coach plugged in at the storage facility?
Edmond
1998 Foretravel U295
Turlock Ca

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #61
I am told my FT does not have coolant sensor, but not sure
I added coolant to the tank and its full now
Edmond

Starting a new post is very confusing in regards to what you have done in your prior post. Very good information was given but we don't know what you have done. 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question
You mentioned that you are a retired professional OTR driver. You may have some contacts in your prior service department that may be able to also help. Staying methodical will result in a resolution. Every time you touch the fuel delivery system you  possibly add additional issues. I understand it may be confusing but you are needing to resolve the leaks that you don't see. They are in the suction line from the tank to the engine driven fuel pump. This is were air is admitted into the fuel system. None is permissible. Have you checked for engine codes? Running one minute and shutting off may be a low coolant issue as mentioned prior. If you have active leaks that you can see they must be resolved before you can go any father. My personal resolution was new fuel lines and a FASS filter and constant operation lift pump. Suspect you too will follow similar to what so many others have done.
Edmond
1998 Foretravel U295
Turlock Ca

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #62
Ok michelle , i will do so
Thank you

Post 40 starts a merge of 2 topics with the same question.  It's best to keep all the information in one place so that members can follow what has and has not been done/tried.

Michelle
Edmond
1998 Foretravel U295
Turlock Ca

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #63
Thank you red tractor
That is good news hopefully mine are not tied in the tunnel as well
Edmond

If you do replace the hoses, when you pull the tank out there is enough excess hose to let it be pulled out enough to unhook the hoses from the fittings in the center of the tank. There are hoses on end of top of the tank that you have to remove in order to pull the tank out. I marked them and the fittings they came off of with colored wire zip ties. I also drew a picture of it to. None of the ones that I have done, had ties on the lines in the overhead tunnel. I used the old hose to pull the new hose in.
Edmond
1998 Foretravel U295
Turlock Ca

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #64
Can the rubber pump on top of water separator B source of air in the fuel line
Let's mention I don't see any fuel leak there

Exmond
Edmond
1998 Foretravel U295
Turlock Ca

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #65
If time comes, do both supply and return hoses need to be replaced or just a supply line
It shouldn't be sucking air from the return line, correct?
Edmond
Edmond
1998 Foretravel U295
Turlock Ca

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #66
If time comes, do both supply and return hoses need to be replaced or just a supply line
It shouldn't be sucking air from the return line, correct?
Edmond
While doing one, you are going to spend very little time doing the return line.  If you end up doing the return later it is going to cost you a lot more time and $
2014 ih45  (4th Foretravel owned)
 1997 36' U295 Sold in 2020, owned for 19 years
  U240 36' Sold to insurance company after melting in garage fire
    33' Foretravel on Dodge Chassis  Sold very long time ago

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #67
My FT is at 36 feet
Does anyone have an idea how many feet of hose do I need to replace both supplies for engine and generator? Also, both return hoses
I think they are not the same size in diameter. Any information will help.
Edmond
1998 Foretravel U295
Turlock Ca

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #68
Definitely replace all at the same time. I measured from the tank to the engine and from the tank to the generator and then added some extra, because it has to come from the center of the coach to the side and then a couple of extra feet for each line. That worked for me.
previous 1984 35 ft ORED 250 HP 3208 Cat       
previous 1998 40 ft U295 CAI 325 hp Cummins
previous 2003 40 Ft u320 build #6140 450 Cummins M11.                                                         
1999 Mazda Miata
Ron, Nancy, Tipper the cat, Max The dog
1997 U 270 36 ft build number 5174 8.3 Cummins

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #69
I replaced my hoses with Trident marine barrier hoses.
You may find it's way cheaper to buy the 50' roll.
Bruce, Linda, and Macy
Zoey RIP 1/20/19
1999 U295 40' build #5400
2017 silver Jeep Wrangler, 1260 watts of solar on top
Moving around the country

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #70
Today i tried to start the engine again, after priming from the lift pump and priming the rubber pump on the water separator, it took a couple of cranks ( unlike the first month I purchased it which would have start by a quick turn of the key) it did start, I kept my foot on the gas pedal to raise the RPM , it still died on me
I thought may be the problem can be from the fuel shut off solenoid,  I did reinstall it with the new one i had installed on last month  ( from Lary's B )
primed it again, and it did the same thing, I gave up for today, tomorrow I will receive and replace the return check valve just like what chuck did and that was his problem
so far I followed his foot steps, replaced both fuel filters, replace shut off solenoid, replaced fuel transfer pump, and tomorrow replacing check valve
hopefully that will be my problem as well and i may not need to replace my fuel lines now
Edmond
1998 U295


Edmond
1998 Foretravel U295
Turlock Ca

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #71
 per Pamela and mike's suggestion i am attaching two pictures to see if any one can tell if the hoses are the original hoses or probably were replaced by previous owner
one of the two hoses connected to water separator , the one with new fitting and new hose , is the one i just replaced which goes to the lift pump, the older hose is the one coming from the tank?
 but if so , why the hose above the tank has no jacket? i am not sure if that hose goes to engine or to the generator? didn't have a flash light with me.

Edmond
1998 U295
Edmond
1998 Foretravel U295
Turlock Ca

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #72
In the 2nd pic of the line on top of the tank that hose is an Aeroquip most likely OEM. From the looks of it the hose appears to loop around and head to the rear of the coach so that should be your supply hose.

Mike
Pamela & Mike 97 U 320

"It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters."

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #73
Not sure, but the hose loop on top of the tank looks like there might be the beginning of seepage at the spiral lines.
Dave and Kelli
1997 U295 40' Build #5188 CSGI
1995 U240 36' Build #4621 SBID-SOLD
2006 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon

Re: 1998 Foretravel U295 - Air in fuel system question

Reply #74
You could take a 5 gallon jug of diesel and run this hose to your engine.  If it will not run more then a few minutes, the fuel line is not your problem.
2014 ih45  (4th Foretravel owned)
 1997 36' U295 Sold in 2020, owned for 19 years
  U240 36' Sold to insurance company after melting in garage fire
    33' Foretravel on Dodge Chassis  Sold very long time ago