Replica HWH Plungers Redux

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Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux

Reply #25 – November 07, 2016, 08:53:33 am

Good catch, and a happy (i.e. no cost) solution to the problem.

Way back when I first initiated my fruitful discussion with Tom McCloud, he mentioned the larger size hole in the tag axel solenoid valves. In the thread announcing the replica plungers, in Reply #3, I touched on that fact, saying:

"I believe all the brass HWH valve bodies are the same, regardless of model or year. They used a different looking electric coil, with a "U" shaped bracket, on the newer coaches. But, I think the brass part is the same. Except, that is, for the ones used on tag axle lifting manifolds. Those have a larger internal port (hole) that the plunger sets down on. Because it has a wide blue insert, this plunger should also work there!"

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Reply #26 – November 07, 2016, 10:27:49 am

Just a guess, but are the solenoids faster action (with larger port) to enable quick tag lift?

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Reply #27 – November 07, 2016, 11:45:20 am

Chuck- thanks for this info I had missed it and so had Barry obviously when he was searching for info before getting under and checking. One thing comes to mind though and that is that he was told by HWH that all solenoids are the same and to all like minded people I too would have thought that comment meant including tag as he specifically mentioned the Tag to them it seems. FT also thought they were the same untill JT made some more calls and then found out what is what.
Thanks again and I am sure it is now stuck in the minds of folks with Tags.

Chuck P-- yes I gather that would make sense as it would allow faster build up of air (and dump too). I also forgot to reply to your other question on the Banks. I have the "Stinger" so only the Actuator was replaced with a bigger one but in the "Power Pack" system the Turbo body is also replaced with one of their own.
JohnH

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Reply #28 – November 07, 2016, 12:28:42 pm

I just received a couple of pictures from Barry showing the difference on these plungers for Tags. You can see plainly that there is a big difference in the them compared to all the rest.
JohnH

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Reply #29 – November 07, 2016, 01:50:49 pm

Quote from: John Haygarth – November 07, 2016, 12:28:42 pm

You can see plainly that there is a big difference in the them compared to all the rest.

Thanks for the pix. First time I've actually seen a tag axel valve body. Yup, BIG difference - looks to be about 3 or 4 times more flow area.

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Reply #30 – November 09, 2016, 02:48:28 pm

Question:

Is the valve contamination both internal (charge air source) or external? pc

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Reply #31 – November 09, 2016, 11:38:14 pm

Not sure what you mean but the air that goes thru these is from the air dryer originally then to tanks and out thru lines. No outside contamination at all but any crap/desiccant/ oil that is not caught by air dryer will have a major affect on the sealing of valve.
JohnH

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Reply #32 – December 03, 2016, 02:08:37 pm

hi all,

i have another small batch of kits that i just put together. if anyone needs any let me know

thanks

tom mccloud

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Reply #33 – April 11, 2017, 12:53:54 am

hi all,

i have 5 or 6 kits left from a recent batch if anyone is interested.

thanks

tom

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Reply #34 – April 11, 2017, 11:10:20 am

Sent you a PM, Tom.
jor

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Reply #35 – April 11, 2017, 11:17:49 am

Also sent you a PM, Tom
Thanks Ric

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Reply #36 – April 12, 2017, 11:14:29 am

thanks all. you guys are great to deal with.

i sold out but placed another order for a small batch today. so let me know if you would like to be on the wait list

tom

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Reply #37 – June 17, 2017, 11:31:35 am

howdy all,

i have a few kits from the last build left. i was traveling on our summer trip and there were two foretravels next to me in the rv park. i went over and talked and they knew about the kits....and bought one. and we had a great visit. ya never know.

let me know if anyone needs any.

thanks

tom

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Reply #38 – June 17, 2017, 01:28:17 pm

Quote from: encantotom – June 17, 2017, 11:31:35 am

howdy all,

i have a few kits from the last build left. i was traveling on our summer trip and there were two foretravels next to me in the rv park. i went over and talked and they knew about the kits....and bought one. and we had a great visit. ya never know.

let me know if anyone needs any.

thanks

I could use a set. :+)
tom

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Reply #39 – June 17, 2017, 02:30:56 pm

Jeff,

Just send a PM to Tom with your request. He will get back to you with the price and other details.

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Reply #40 – August 03, 2017, 02:05:13 am

howdy all,

i am out of the kits, but am about to place an order to get some more. if anyone is interested, please let me know so i can include you on the list of people wanting them and order enough. no money required till i get them.

thanks

tom

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Reply #41 – August 03, 2017, 08:44:45 am

Hi

I would like to get (2) sets. And to be correct for the tag I would have to source them thru others correct?

Thanks
Charlie

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Reply #42 – August 03, 2017, 09:10:51 am

Charlie,

If you will scroll back up this thread to Reply #28, you will see photos of the tag axle solenoid valve body compared to the "standard" HWH valve body. The only difference is the size of the internal air passage. The plungers in Tom's kits will work for both types of valve bodies. You just need to order one "extra" kit to provide the 2 additional plungers (plus a few spares).

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Reply #43 – August 03, 2017, 09:26:57 am

My suggestion to keep this thread on track:

If you are interested in ordering them, please PM Tom (encantotom).

Thanks.

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Reply #44 – August 03, 2017, 09:31:52 am

Chuck,

Thanks for the info ...I did review post 28 that shows difference and comments. I understand the plunger will work, just did not know what effect it would have on the operation of the tag with the smaller hole. Longer dump cycle when dumping air? Or really not noticeable or am I missing something?

Thanks
Charlie

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Reply #45 – August 03, 2017, 09:54:15 am

Charlie, the tag needs a faster dump and reset so that is why the hole in valve is bigger compared to bags etc. It needs this faster action and barry "Beam" found this out after he had left our place and us changing all of his Plungers etc. He noticed that the tag was not operating as before (slower) and did a bit of checking. We did not know of the difference (obviously) when doing them all. Once changed he said it was back to normal. The seat on the plungers is big enough for this larger drilling so they do work fine.
This replacement of originals is a bit awkward to do but the cost of these parts is a big saving over OEM. have done a few of them now (sets) in 3 coach's but luckily having the pit makes it soooo much easier. Barry said it was a dream compared to sliding under and trying to find a comfortable position (none).
JohnH

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Reply #46 – August 03, 2017, 01:30:32 pm

i cannot speak for the foretravels, but i came accross some valve bodies that had larger orfice sizes than the ones my coach had used and i used 2 of them for the rears (on my newell the tag and drive airbags are inflated with the same solenoid valve) so it would raise a little quicker. the plunger seat worked fine with mine.

tom

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Reply #47 – September 08, 2018, 06:25:49 pm

hello my foretravel friends.

i am out of these kits but am putting together another order to have them made. if anyone is in need of them, let me know quickly please. no upfront money.

thanks

tom

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Reply #48 – September 08, 2018, 07:45:04 pm

tom i would take 2 sets.
thanks so much for doing this.ill pm you my email.
thanks again

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Reply #49 – September 08, 2018, 08:13:33 pm

I'd like another set Tom

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