WARNING, WARNING, WARNING!!!

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Reply #25 – March 11, 2018, 12:15:26 pm

Oh man Rick that really sucks! And after doing all the other work. Hope it works out.
The original owner of my first coach, a 92 Barth, burned up 2 motors and replaced them..
Unfortunately it happens.
Best of Luck with it. Bright side is you'll have a new engine. Keep us posted.
Cheers Ric

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Reply #26 – March 11, 2018, 01:39:04 pm

Looks like this might be your chance to put a bit more giddy-up in your rig. Modern Cummins L9 engines are up to 450hp and 1250 lb-ft of torque and only weigh about 300 lbs. more than the C8.3. According to everything I've read, they use the Allison 3000 series transmission with them as well. Cummins ISL Engines For Sale | MyLittleSalesman.com

Let's make these lemons into some lemonade. You might one day look back at your blown engine as the best thing that could have happened as you effortlessly pass everyone in the mountains with your powerful new engine.

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Reply #27 – March 11, 2018, 02:19:29 pm

Wow sorry about your bad luck with your engine
I doubt it's the lower end. Catastrophic losses of coolant most times are not indicated by the coolant temperature gauge.

Quote from: barndog – March 11, 2018, 11:37:20 am

but it is only an engine failure as my wife reminded me

I must say, you sure got lucky with that wife

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Reply #28 – March 11, 2018, 03:03:08 pm

When I was on the FD, responding to a "motorcycle down", I heard my paramedic as he was cutting off the rider's leathers: "Dude, the good news is that you are going to get new leathers!" Not much consolation, but if you are having to change out the engine, you might consider the option of moving up to ISL, if that is possible.
I can't fault you for not watching the gauges - I always found them difficult to read, presuming they were accurate and gave instant read outs. I am hoping that my Silver Leaf with its audible alarm and very readable readouts will help me avoid these incidents.

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Reply #29 – March 11, 2018, 03:08:13 pm

Rick- sorry to hear about your problem but really glad you got off the road safe.

We can always replace stuff, but not people. Your wife is so right.

Hope you get it back together and we see you down the road...............

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Reply #30 – March 11, 2018, 03:27:31 pm

Sorry to hear your misfortune Rick. I hope the recovery/fix will be quick, easy and inexpensive.
It could have happened to the most neurotic (I guilty) person, who does not listen to the radio for more than 10 min at a time but listens and scans for all the gauges and information at all times. Sometimes I think about selling our beloved GV just because how I drive it as if I am a F15 fighter pilot looking to not get hit in air combat dog fight by F-22 Raptor

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Reply #31 – March 11, 2018, 03:42:58 pm

I fly a lot too and scan all the time but with the engine all the way back, even if you scan all the time, it's easy, really easy to miss a gauge reading and when you dump your coolant overboard, you only have a couple minutes at the most. I've missed three so far all having to do with the hydraulic fans for the radiator. Remote sensors can save your bacon. Saved mine.

All Foretravels have a bunch of extra wires leading from the back to the front up by the driver so you can bring up any oil and water sensors to light up and give an audible alarm. Cheap insurance, especially if you have a mechanical engine without the failsafe ECUs some of us have.

Pierce

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Reply #32 – March 11, 2018, 04:28:07 pm

How about a remote camera positioned to are the vitles like belts and hoses.just thinking out loud.?

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Reply #33 – March 11, 2018, 05:27:50 pm

I have our backup camera on all the time, but, again, my eyes are outside most of the time, so I may or may not see a cloud of steam. When I did have a heat problem a couple of years ago I did see the temp gauge heading up and had time to pull over and shut down before the computer shut me down.

We frequently hear that we have "million-mile" engines. Yes, the over-the-road trucks DO run these engines for a million miles - but they do it in a few years. When we lost our engine last year we had only about 165,000 miles on it, but that was since 1993. That's less than 7,000 miles per year. At that rate it would take more than 142 years to get to a million miles. I don't think I'll live that long.

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Reply #34 – March 11, 2018, 07:09:31 pm

Quote from: kb0zke – March 11, 2018, 05:27:50 pm

I have our backup camera on all the time, but, again, my eyes are outside most of the time, so I may or may not see a cloud of steam. When I did have a heat problem a couple of years ago I did see the temp gauge heading up and had time to pull over and shut down before the computer shut me down.

We frequently hear that we have "million-mile" engines. Yes, the over-the-road trucks DO run these engines for a million miles - but they do it in a few years. When we lost our engine last year we had only about 165,000 miles on it, but that was since 1993. That's less than 7,000 miles per year. At that rate it would take more than 142 years to get to a million miles. I don't think I'll live that long.

Did you drop a new engine in?

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Reply #35 – March 11, 2018, 07:29:40 pm

Quote from: Andy 2 – March 11, 2018, 04:28:07 pm

How about a remote camera positioned to are the vitles like belts and hoses.just thinking out loud.?

Good idea. If it get cloudy and hard to see, you've got trouble.

With belts, you've got to have a least one spare as the old belt is probably a couple of miles behind and with nothing to compare with... The camera could also be used along with a couple of mechanical gauges to check fuel pressures in and out of the filters/lift pump. We have one gauge on the primary filter and then on the output of the secondary filter so we can see the actual pressure while under full load.

When our hydraulic fan hose let go and coated everything with oil including the toad, I used a gallon of degreaser and it still took a couple of times to get everything clean.

Pierce

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Reply #36 – March 11, 2018, 07:35:13 pm

Rick, sorry to hear about your engine. I had an air filter failure that "dusted" my engine. Total in frame rebuild. The block, the crank, the oil pan and the valve cover were the only parts reused. New everything on and in the engine, new CAC, new compressor even a new ECM. Painful but we have a 17 year old coach with a 22K mile motor.

When it is all done you will have a beautiful interior and a new motor. Time to hit the road.

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Reply #37 – March 11, 2018, 07:59:23 pm

Rick, we had an inframe overhaul done last year in January and February. You can do a search on the forum to find out the whole story.

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Reply #38 – March 11, 2018, 08:04:20 pm

Quote from: rsihnhold – March 11, 2018, 01:39:04 pm

Looks like this might be your chance to put a bit more giddy-up in your rig. Modern Cummins L9 engines are up to 450hp and 1250 lb-ft of torque and only weigh about 300 lbs. more than the C8.3. According to everything I've read, they use the Allison 3000 series transmission with them as well. Cummins ISL Engines For Sale | MyLittleSalesman.com

Let's make these lemons into some lemonade. You might one day look back at your blown engine as the best thing that could have happened as you effortlessly pass everyone in the mountains with your powerful new engine.

I spoke with a friend of mine who works for Cummins motor home division, his recommendation was just stay with the original engine, he said that an electrical engine would be a nightmare of rewiring. so I asked about the L- 10, and he said it was too heavy, 300 lbs more, that the transmission would not stand up to it, and the cooling system was too small......Soooo with that said I will stick with the girl that brung me to the dance.

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Reply #39 – March 11, 2018, 08:08:51 pm

Quote from: kb0zke – March 11, 2018, 07:59:23 pm

Rick, we had an inframe overhaul done last year in January and February. You can do a search on the forum to find out the whole story.

What would I look under, I tried in frame overhaul ,and engine rebuild.

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Reply #40 – March 11, 2018, 08:39:38 pm

Click on his avatar and go through his posts

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Reply #41 – March 11, 2018, 08:40:36 pm

Rick, I am not familiar with your engine, but the in frame was on a Detroit with replaceable liners. You have to wait and find out just what is damaged on the engine to make choices.

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Reply #42 – March 11, 2018, 08:59:06 pm

I would put a freeze plug in it. Fill with water and see if it will run. If it dosnt your out 6 bucks for, freeze plug and 20 gallons tap water. Those are tough tough engines. I just think you are jumping to worst case scenero,jmo....good luck with it.

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Reply #43 – March 11, 2018, 09:11:31 pm

I agree. Put a freeze plug in it. Hope for the best.

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Reply #44 – March 11, 2018, 09:23:25 pm

Easier yet,take the 4 bolts off the crankshaft pulley and uncover bigger bolts,from there you can use a 1/2 inch breaker bar and
socket and turn the engine over,you'll know if it's easy to turn or locked up,also while your there take the belt off and turn the water pump.Another check would be to remove the air intake piping and look at/spin the turbo,if the engine cratered something probably got to the turbo and destroyed the fins on the intake.

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Reply #45 – March 11, 2018, 10:08:08 pm

Quote from: barndog – March 11, 2018, 08:08:51 pm

What would I look under, I tried in frame overhaul ,and engine rebuild.

Here you go (David's rebuild):

More coach bucks

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Reply #46 – March 11, 2018, 10:31:09 pm

Its easy to enough to drop the pan. From there the rods, mains, and cam/lifters can be inspected. I'm sure Ricks diesel man will look at that first. Butttt if it ran until he noticed a lack of power it likely be toast

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Reply #47 – March 11, 2018, 11:40:01 pm

You said you heard a noise and when you got stopped the was a trail of coolant behind you. It might be that the noise you heard was
the frost plug blowing out as it wasn't out too long as you had coolant behind you. If that was the case your engine might be fine.
As someone suggested put a new frost plug in and fill it with water. If you shut your engine off and it didn't sieze it's probably fine.
When you over heat an engine it's the top end that goes not the bottom end. Another thought someone said to turn it over by hand
or use the starter and if it is free it's probably good. I hope I'm right and if it's fine don't forget to put antifreeze back in.

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Reply #48 – March 11, 2018, 11:40:41 pm

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Reply #49 – March 12, 2018, 10:53:59 am

What is the process to install a new freeze plug? Need to clean out the edges, how to press in, etc?

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