fuel hoses

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fuel hoses

October 16, 2018, 09:37:22 am

I talked to Bern'd yesterday about the Gates 19B Plantmaster hose and was told by him that the hose is the correct one, He even sent me a link were Gates confirms that it is the correct one. However, this is the email response from Gates:
I personal feel that there needs to be a joint action taken against this person.

Re: fuel hoses

Reply #1 – October 16, 2018, 09:47:45 am

Bernd replaced my hoses, I will check to see if he used this same hose on mine later today when I am at my coach

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Reply #2 – October 16, 2018, 09:48:04 am

What does bernd not understand about the caution stating "NOT FOR CONSTANT CONTACT WITH FUELS",some people will
never admit they could be wrong no matter what the cost.

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Reply #3 – October 16, 2018, 10:29:09 am

Sorry but that guy is a idiot. He put in the wrong hose in multiple coaches and is to dumb to know the difference?
I had mine in for 3 years and the smell of diesel permeating thru the hose was significant.
He also did the basement on my coach. 30K took 6 months to do it according to the po, and it's not a good job. I will have to redo it at some point. Anyone that thinks he is knowledgeable about these coaches, be my guest. But I wouldn't use him, nor be quiet about the jobs he did on my coach. I'm just glad it wasn't my money that he took.
Oh and btw, he put in much more hose and charged for it than the coach ever needed. That is robbery in my book. Also put in 3/4" when 5/8" was what was needed. Guess what he charged for?
Buyer beware.

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Reply #4 – October 16, 2018, 10:59:26 am

I wish I was smart enough to put his imessage to the forum as it is in direct opposition to Gates official email. My plan is to offer him a chance to refund my fuel hose replacement; and then proceed. Now I am wondering if the air bags he replaced are the correct ones. I will call Gates later today and talk to someone there.

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Reply #5 – October 16, 2018, 11:14:26 am

Maybe he figured you would get farther down the road with the larger hose and be too far away to come back.

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Reply #6 – October 16, 2018, 11:20:25 am

What bothers me the most is that he will send me a chart that is suppose to be from Gates. That confirms the fuel line are the correct ones. In my book that borders on fraud. I also had airbags replaced and now I am concerned that they also are not for the intended use.

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Reply #7 – October 16, 2018, 12:06:01 pm

Think you can get a part number from the airbag and verify.

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Reply #8 – October 16, 2018, 12:36:05 pm

Good idea. I hope that more FT owners jump in to this discussion and there can start to be accountability in FT service. Just because one owns a FT does not mean; we should be exploited. I know that I was and it still leaves a bad taste. Rise up the silent majority and take back honesty and integrity in Foretravel service.

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Reply #9 – October 16, 2018, 12:45:56 pm

Seriously thinking of once we get settled in the Millington area of taking on some Foretravel repairs,could trade my work for your
expertise or just for hard cash.

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Reply #10 – October 16, 2018, 01:00:14 pm

I ended up changing the air bags myself, but I had been talking to Bernd about having him do it. I guess I was lucky

That said, I would say it is likely that Bernd gets them directly from Foretravel. If that is the case, then you probably got the right ones. The reason I didn't get him to replace mine was that Foretravel didn't have any in stock at the time. The things that would concern me is how he (or more likely, his minions...) accomplished the work. Did he reuse the air fittings, are there splices in the the air lines, are all the fasteners present and tight, etc. These items you should be able to verify by inspection, and at the same time check the part numbers on the bags. Also, were all the bags actually replaced? Look to see if any of them appear to be older... Best to raise coach to the max to be able to see the full length of the air bags to inspect. The bottom of the air bags are normally not visible when the coach is at ride height and the bottom of the bags is where the weathering usually shows up.

Back to the topic of the subject line, I hope you can get satisfaction on the fuel lines... you have empirical proof that he used the wrong material. If he has done many of these coaches with this stuff, he is probably looking at a major financial set back if was to fess up his mistake which is obvious motivation for being in denial. However, integrity requires that he face the facts. I hope he has it in him and can use this as a learning experience and will make good on all those who have been unwitting victims of his miscalculation. Good luck with this issue
Don

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Reply #11 – October 16, 2018, 01:05:23 pm

I looked up a supplier for the Gates hose and this is what I found
Gates 19B Plantmaster™ hose
19B Plantmaster™
Gates plantmaster hose for air and water transfer
Manufacturer: Gates
Specification No. 3219AR
Recommended for: Applications requiring a premium grade braided hose, with excellent flexibility and maximum resistance to air, water, petroleum oils, gasoline, kerosene and fuel oil (to 120°F) and lubricating oils (to 212°F). Excellent weather and ozone resistance. NOTE: Not recommended for constant contact with fuels.
Specifications:
Tube: Nitrile
Reinforcement: Braided, high tensile synthetic textile cord
Cover: Modified Nitrile
Color: Red
Temperature Range: -40°F to 212°F
Branding: Continuous ink print
Working Pressure: 250-500 PSI
Sizes (Inside Diameter): 3/16", 1/4", 5/16", 3/8", 1/2", 5/8", 3/4", 1", 1.25", 1 3/8", 1.5"
FEATURED PRODUCTS

Re: fuel hoses

Reply #12 – October 16, 2018, 01:15:59 pm

From what I remember from other posts is that the shops sawzall the fittings off the old bags to save time,think Don has a point
if Bernd fesses up he'll be changing lines for a long time,if anyone needs any air hose cheap maybe check with bernd.

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Reply #13 – October 16, 2018, 01:54:34 pm

Just not that hard to find hoses that work well with diesel/biodiesel. Lots of good brands. Boat yards are one of the best resources. Use the phone and call around.

If you read the part number on the side of the bag, you can cross reference with other brands. No bad airbags out there that I'm aware of. Many millions of commercial use miles would eliminate them in a hurry. Unless they have severe corrosion, using a Sawzall to cut the fasteners is a crude way of removal. It's an easy job normally and anyone with DIY ability can do it.

Pierce

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Reply #14 – October 16, 2018, 02:42:05 pm

Does anyone know what the cost for fuel line replacement is at FT?

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Reply #15 – October 16, 2018, 02:49:26 pm

This is what Bern'd sent me as confirmation by Gates that the correct fuel lines were used.

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Reply #16 – October 16, 2018, 03:11:50 pm

See attached photos for Foretravel's fuel line replacement cost on our 36' U270 in late 2013. This was for complete replacement including generator and fuel cooler loop.
Don

Quote from: John/Pat – October 16, 2018, 02:42:05 pm

Does anyone know what the cost for fuel line replacement is at FT?

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Reply #17 – October 16, 2018, 03:13:29 pm

In April 2015 Bernd replaced my fuel lines using NAPA Multi Purpose Hose ( Red). I just spent some time researching and find that this is a Gates Multi Purpose hose made in Mexico. I cannot find a specific part number but suspect it is the same Gates hose used in other coaches. I am not having any problems with these hoses so far, but am concerned about it. I chose to use Bernd for this work on recommendation from Paul on the forum. I did find mistakes made by the installers when they tested and told them I wanted Beau Reese to personally inspect every connection on the engine and generator fuel lines. I stayed with the coach as I live full time in it and they did correct the mistakes, no fuel leaks when running the engine and generator. So far, I am not having any problems with these hoses but am very concerned- paying close attention to this.

In reference to his business practices- they buried the costs for redoing the fuel lines, including taking the tank out again in my bill. We had some words, but I was not happy with being charged to correct mistakes his employees made. I usually do not like to say anything bad about someone, thinking it could have been an isolated incident. Apparently this is not the case as others seem to be having issues- buyer beware.

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Reply #18 – October 16, 2018, 03:24:51 pm

Certainly a fairly misleading page as it mentions applicability for transferring fuel without mentioning the prohibition against prolonged contact. A mistake any of us 'amateurs' might make, but not acceptable for an experienced professional. Perhaps that was an earlier catalog page before Gates had feedback from end users... Perhaps we are looking at a "HoseGate" if you know what I mean...

A poor play on the Gates brand name, but perhaps the Gates corporation could shed some light on this issue. Was this particular product initially marketed as appropriate for fuel line where it would be constant contact with diesel (perhaps before biodiesel came on the scene). After all, lift pumps (and perhaps other fuel system components) on our coaches performed perfectly before biodiesel came out and needed to be replaced with updated parts.
Don

Quote from: John/Pat – October 16, 2018, 02:49:26 pm

This is what Bern'd sent me as confirmation by Gates that the correct fuel lines were used.

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Reply #19 – October 16, 2018, 04:56:49 pm

Central State Hose Inc. web site says: Gates 19B Plantmaster™ rubber hose assembly for compressed air and lubricating oil
How much more clear can it be? I think the Bern'd truth is out and it hurts; about time. I for one always appreciated all the valuable information that is shared by the forum members.

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Reply #20 – October 16, 2018, 05:14:28 pm

I know we can speculate forever but why did'nt he just go with what Foretravel used and have no problems?,he would have made the same profit.

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Reply #21 – October 16, 2018, 05:26:03 pm

Greed or ignorance! I would like to not the cost per foot of the hose FT uses verses air line hose.

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Reply #22 – October 16, 2018, 09:42:45 pm

If I get a chance this weekend will look up the cost that he charged Paul Smith, the PO's po on my coach. I know I have the receipt in the filing drawer but things have been moved around so it might take awhile, and I am still trying to correct the mistake Benrd did to my coach with the fuel line fiasco. Would be interesting to see how much he charged and for how many feet.
Truth is, in my book, there is no way that that shop could ever fix things right. They did the wrong thing, knew it, and won't stand behind their work, and even tried to pad the bill, not once but for everyone? Doubt anyone knows. But I know on the work he did on this coach, that it was beyond substandard, expensive and down right fraud.
If you have that hose in your coach, just pull the cover off the tank, or in the bay, run a rag over it, and smell. If you smell diesel your hose is not good.

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Reply #23 – October 17, 2018, 08:14:03 am

As to the use of these hoses and Gates warning, I agree with Don. When did Gates discover the issue? Is there literature that does not warn of prolonged contact? What, when and how did they notify those they had sold them to as fuel compatible? Was there any type of "soft recall".

I raise this because there has been mention of taking action against his shop. There may be recourse for workmanship issues but liability on the hose used may be a different issue altogether. I dont know all the details but I do know this. If you are stating in a public forum that a business has committed fraud you better have your facts down cold.

I am as unhappy as anyone else as I have those same hoses. On the air side, I have had three shops comment on the quality of our coach. Just three weeks ago my mobile guy said he had never seen a tighter over the road system. Those were done at the same time. Who knows what issues may develop.

I am not defending Berndt or his shop and these are significant issues BUT there should be some discretion in making charges such as fraud before all the data is collected and you are ready to file. Just my thoughts.

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Reply #24 – October 17, 2018, 09:33:54 am

Agree but think the fraud part may have been taking the 6 months to redo the basement,once they start you are at their mercy
whether they tell you it will take 2 weeks or 2 months.
So what you are saying is somehow try and find out when this caution was put in the brochure.
George,agree with your post but what is a tighter over the road system?

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