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Reply #25
I just put in a 10 x 40 slab for the coach to sit on, and we are not allowed here to have a garage or barn. It is 5" with 1/2 rebar in 16" squares I did all the forming and steel and the concrete is machine trowel finish and I have kept a sprinkler on it for over a week unless it rained and 32 mpi strength concrete. Cost here for 7 cu yds was $160.00 each yd and $550 to lay and finish. I had a plastic expansion strip every 10 ft of length and was laid 2 weeks ago and as we will be gone for at least 3 more weeks it will be 5 weeks before the coach goes on it.
I am going to do a latex finish on top as I have done with garages when building homes, and what I do is mix  paint with 25%water and apply then let dry then another layer at 10%water then a final coat of concrete paint. This will have soaked into the concrete and never wear off. No oil will stain the slab and allways washes clean.
Tried tested and proven for me.
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Reply #26
John,
Looks good, however I will have to 'inspect' it when we get there in July :D
Don
I just put in a 10 x 40 slab for the coach to sit on, and we are not allowed here to have a garage or barn. It is 5" with 1/2 rebar in 16" squares I did all the forming and steel and the concrete is machine trowel finish and I have kept a sprinkler on it for over a week unless it rained and 32 mpi strength concrete. Cost here for 7 cu yds was $160.00 each yd and $550 to lay and finish. I had a plastic expansion strip every 10 ft of length and was laid 2 weeks ago and as we will be gone for at least 3 more weeks it will be 5 weeks before the coach goes on it.
I am going to do a latex finish on top as I have done with garages when building homes, and what I do is mix  paint with 25%water and apply then let dry then another layer at 10%water then a final coat of concrete paint. This will have soaked into the concrete and never wear off. No oil will stain the slab and allways washes clean.
Tried tested and proven for me.
JohnH
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Reply #27
Until you need to sweep it, then it looks great.  It can be quite handsome in itself or stained, built several houses with it to rave reviews.  But it all depends on the skill of the finisher. Or the eye of the beholder I suppose.

Sorry I was speaking about polished concrete in large commercial multistory buildings, small residential construction may yield decent results
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Reply #28
Sorry I was speaking about polished concrete in large commercial multistory buildings, small residential construction may yield decent results

No worries Phred, in fact I agree.  It's hard to make it an appearance material its real beauty is in its incredible structural versatility. 
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Reply #29
They poured the foundation on Tuesday, so we are ready for the building to be delivered from Arizona.  Hopefully it will get here next week sometime.
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Reply #30
Very nice. Now... some assembly required.
Roger Engdahl and Susan Green
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Reply #31
I just put in a 10 x 40 slab for the coach to sit on, and we are not allowed here to have a garage or barn.
JohnH
Aren't you in central V.I. B.C.? I'm kind surprised at that kind of restriction. Is there a particular reason for the ban?

Sorry! My mistake on your location.
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Reply #32
Sven, I see you didn't use a vapor barrier.  That means your slab is very  unlikely to develop surface cracks, believe it or not.  That's one reason  driveways typically don't develop surface cracks and house slabs do.  No idea of what the mechanics are other than possibly the barrier inhibits hydration below, and surface cures more quickly leading to stress in  the surface.
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Reply #33
I had never heard of a vapor barrier contributing to surface cracks.  I asked the contractor about it and keeping it wet, but he said it would not make any difference.  The half inch rebar and six inches of slab should minimize any cracking and if any occur, it would likely be a hairline crack, cosmetic at worst.  I'm pretty pleased with how it turned out: it is uniformly white and very smooth.  I would like to more about sealants and floor paint to prevent oil absorption. 

I talked to Absolute Steel and it looks like my building should arrive the week of the 17th.  With the floor in, I'm getting antsy.
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Reply #35
I had never heard of a vapor barrier contributing to surface cracks.  I asked the contractor about it and keeping it wet, but he said it would not make any difference.  The half inch rebar and six inches of slab should minimize any cracking and if any occur, it would likely be a hairline crack, cosmetic at worst.  I'm pretty pleased with how it turned out: it is uniformly white and very smooth.  I would like to more about sealants and floor paint to prevent oil absorption. 

I talked to Absolute Steel and it looks like my building should arrive the week of the 17th.  With the floor in, I'm getting antsy.


Good move on the polished surface.  You may find you really don't need any coating at all.  The comment about vapor barriers referred to curing surface cracks only, not structural.  Being the founder and former owner of a major foundation drilling company near Houston has given me perspective on some of the unusual characteristics of concrete. I'm not surprised you never heard of this  one,  most people haven't.
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Reply #36
 
The sealer you linked is not an oil or stain repellant.  The company does offer another product which would cost about $500 for 4 gallons and shipping!  Ouch. 
Shop Concrete Sealers - Product Type - Oil & Stain Repellents - Concrete...
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Reply #37
That stuff is mostly to help protect the concrete from salt and winter crud.  It works pretty well, I am not sure anything is going to be entirely effective against oil spots.  I save big cardboard pieces an slide then under the motor and transmission. Low tech.  works fine. If I get a drip it helps pinpoint it.

Your perfect new floor will have scratches and a spot or two before you get the barn done.  It's a barn. :)
Roger Engdahl and Susan Green
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Hastings, MN

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Reply #38
The garage frame and roof is finished and ready to ship.  I was recently notified that a boom truck (for unloading) would not be available and that they were going to ship it in a box truck with a lift gate (!) with me unloading it by hand.  I attached a photo  of my building on the ground in Arizona at Absolute Steel.  Needless to say, I'm pretty unhappy with this development, considering that I contracted with the company with the understanding that load would be put on the ground.
I am going back to the original estimate that shows a semi with trailer would be delivering it, but I will have to rent a forklift to do the heavy lifting.  We'll see how that goes.
The reason for my sharing the process (from beginning to end) is for anyone contemplating such a project.
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Reply #39
The reason for my sharing the process (from beginning to end) is for anyone contemplating such a project.
Your "sharing" is MUCH appreciated by me, and I am sure many others.  I HOPE to pursue a similar project some day, and seeing all the many steps in getting it done really helps me get a clear mental picture of what exactly is involved.

You should title that photo (above):  "Some Assembly Required"  (no reference intended to the stupid TV series)
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Reply #40
Typical.  It seems nowdays when a supplier or contractor actually follows the deal they have committed to its cause for astonishment and celebration.  Tell  em they loaded the box truck they can unload it as well.  Definitely not something you want to do by hand. Nfw. Potential for damage to you and your materials.  Flatbed at least.

Any chance your erection contractor could unload and place the materials where they want them?

Enjoying your build thread, lots of good info. 



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Reply #41
Thanks for sharing your project.  I appreciate it.  I looked at several construction variations and went with stick built because we could do it ourselves. When I built my shop I looked at structural insulated panels for the roof and walls with a 6x18" center roof beam, 36' long.  Materials would have been cheaper. I would have had a building in 2 days.  But the cost of a crane and erecting crew made it much more expensive in the long run. 

A steel framed building is very nice.  Please post pictures along the way.
Roger Engdahl and Susan Green
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Hastings, MN

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Reply #42
getting 13 foot structural members out of a box truck, the liftgate will be useless. why it would take me all day with lots of breaks to bust up the bundles and carry it out piece by piece. what fool would ship it that way, cant drag & fork it out without risking bending them.
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Reply #43
"Any chance your erection contractor could unload and place the materials where they want them? "

We're the erection team.  I want to see how far I can go doing it with a little help from Kristi and a couple of friends during critical phases.  I can get an off road forklift with telescoping boom for the rafter/stud sections and a scissor lift for working overhead.  I've talked to a couple of contractors who won't touch the project.
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Reply #44
Sven, I see you didn't use a vapor barrier.  That means your slab is very  unlikely to develop surface cracks, believe it or not.  That's one reason  driveways typically don't develop surface cracks and house slabs do.  No idea of what the mechanics are other than possibly the barrier inhibits hydration below, and surface cures more quickly leading to stress in  the surface.
The purpose of a vapor barrier, somewhat misnamed, is to prevent the ground from absorbing the water out of the concrete and interfereing with the hydration process.
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Reply #45
The purpose of a vapor barrier, somewhat misnamed, is to prevent the ground from absorbing the water out of the concrete and interfereing with the hydration process.
They wet the soil (soaked) before the pour, hopefully that took care of it.  Good information for those planning a project.
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Reply #46
The purpose of a vapor barrier, somewhat misnamed, is to prevent the ground from absorbing the water out of the concrete and interfereing with the hydration process.

Exactly.  Modifies the hydration process.  Unbalanced cure leads to stress in air exposed top surface= shrinkage cracks. 

Sven, do you have any kind of auto screw feeder for the 3 million screws you will be driving?  I have one I can loan, but you will most likely need to get the proper nosepiece for it.  It's a Quik Drive.
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Reply #47
"Any chance your erection contractor could unload and place the materials where they want them? "

We're the erection team.  I want to see how far I can go doing it with a little help from Kristi and a couple of friends during critical phases.  I can get an off road forklift with telescoping boom for the rafter/stud sections and a scissor lift for working overhead.  I've talked to a couple of contractors who won't touch the project.

On a night, with a full moon, at midnight, throw some blue pills at it; it will erect itself.
Tim Dianics
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Columbia, MO
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Reply #48
On a night, with a full moon, at midnight, throw some blue pills at it; it will erect itself.
Best response I've seen on this post in two years!
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Reply #49
Finally getting ready to go up.  Kristi and I experimented with the first section and tomorrow ("erection day") a couple of friends will help erect the rest of it.  It has been a long road, but we had to wait until the temps got up to around 100.  Always wanted an erector set....
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