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The Project Coach

This is a pretty good 3/4 days work to get the fuel lines replaces for to old fellows.

Mike
Pamela & Mike 97 U 320

"It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters."


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Reply #2
Is your fuel tank stamped anywhere with the gal. capacity?
1995 U320C SE 40'
Jeep 4x4 Commander - Limited - Hemi
"The Pack"  Yogi and Diesel our Airedales -  Charlie our Boxer/Akita mix. Gone but NEVER forgotten Jake our yellow Lab.
NRA Law Enforcement Firearms instructor - Handgun/shotgun
Regional Firearms instructor for national Armored Transp. Co.

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Reply #3
If you put a tape measure on the tank it measures slightly more.
Pamela & Mike 97 U 320

"It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters."

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Reply #4
Does this diagram match the tank?


1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"


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Reply #6
Chuck,

Yes that is it.

Mike
Pamela & Mike 97 U 320

"It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters."

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Reply #7
Project Du Jour:  getting head start for testing coils, replacing "O" rings, and plungers by 2nd year apprentice Zack. (anyone that can help me pull a fuel tank out of one of these coaches is more than a 1st year apprentice) This is the worse place I have ever seen a 6 pack mounted on a coach. It is hid next to the wet tank up behind the differential with no way to access it if broke down on the road unless you are thinner than the distance from the ground to the bottom of the axle housing.

Mike
Pamela & Mike 97 U 320

"It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters."

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Project Du Jour:  getting head start for testing coils, replacing "O" rings, and plungers by 2nd year apprentice Zack. (anyone that can help me pull a fuel tank out of one of these coaches is more than a 1st year apprentice) This is the worse place I have ever seen a 6 pack mounted on a coach. It is hid next to the wet tank up behind the differential with no way to access it if broke down on the road unless you are thinner than the distance from the ground to the bottom of the axle housing.

Mike

That is crazy Mike. I wonder why that was done that way. I hope I never have to work on it on the road, I am pretty sure I would not be able to get up in there to access it. Thank you very much for all the help sir.
Zack & Ginny Methvin
1998 U270 36' WTFE
Build# 5242 (E-25 code)
FMCA# 548390
Longview, Texas


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Had some free time this A/M so I stripped this 6 pack down to it's underpants getting it ready to clean and freshen up.
1st pic is testing coils.
2. The 2nd pic you will see the 6 shinney seating surfaces. DON"T go polishing them up with emery cloth/sandpaper as this is where the "O" rings seat off.
3.  This is what all the parts look like all laid out ready for cleaning.
4. If you read of a little spring that will vanish here is what it looks like and you won't find a replacement at any hardware store.
5. This is how you keep it from escaping.

Mike
Pamela & Mike 97 U 320

"It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters."

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Reply #10
Had some free time this A/M so I stripped this 6 pack down to it's underpants getting it ready to clean and freshen up.
1st pic is testing coils.
2. The 2nd pic you will see the 6 shinney seating surfaces. DON"T go polishing them up with emery cloth/sandpaper as this is where the "O" rings seat off.
3.  This is what all the parts look like all laid out ready for cleaning.
4. If you read of a little spring that will vanish here is what it looks like and you won't find a replacement at any hardware store.
5. This is how you keep it from escaping.

Mike


Nice, you have been hard at it. Do you see any signs of a failure so far? Why the rear drops down in travel mode only?
Zack & Ginny Methvin
1998 U270 36' WTFE
Build# 5242 (E-25 code)
FMCA# 548390
Longview, Texas


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Nice, you have been hard at it. Do you see any signs of a failure so far? Why the rear drops down in travel mode only?
That indicates a problem with the rear ride height control valves, most likely. That's outside of the responsibility of the six pack. Nothing Mike doesn't already know though.
1987 Grand Villa ORED
2001 U320 4010

Not all that wander are lost... but I often am.

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Reply #12
That indicates a problem with the rear ride height control valves, most likely. That's outside of the responsibility of the six pack. Nothing Mike doesn't already know though.

Hi Elliott.
Correct, we are starting with the six-packs since they are pretty aged and if that does not solve the issue, we will change out the RHCV's. Probably going to change them anyway just to be safe. My plan is to replace everything I can before I put this thing on the road to hopefully help my odds of not having a failure down the road. Also, having the use of Mike's pit is a tremendous help so I want get everything I can done underneath now while his pit is available. So, far things are progressing pretty good I'd say thanks to Mike's endless bank of knowledge.
Zack & Ginny Methvin
1998 U270 36' WTFE
Build# 5242 (E-25 code)
FMCA# 548390
Longview, Texas


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Hi Elliott.
Correct, we are starting with the six-packs since they are pretty aged and if that does not solve the issue, we will change out the RHCV's. Probably going to change them anyway just to be safe. My plan is to replace everything I can before I put this thing on the road to hopefully help my odds of not having a failure down the road. Also, having the use of Mike's pit is a tremendous help so I want get everything I can done underneath now while his pit is available. So, far things are progressing pretty good I'd say thanks to Mike's endless bank of knowledge.
I agree with your plan of preemptively replacing the rhcvs. Easy to do (even the front if you have access to a pit) and something that'll strand you while waiting on parts if they fail on the road. I'd have killed for access to a pit while doing all this on my U320.
1987 Grand Villa ORED
2001 U320 4010

Not all that wander are lost... but I often am.

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Reply #14
Why the rear drops down in travel mode only?

As of this writing it seems like the blown out diaphragms on both the front and rear tank protection/isolation valves are leaking more air than the compressor can make up. With this big leak it seems like there isn't enough air to make up when the ride height calls for air as you travel down the road. With 2 ride height valve in the rear you have a tendency to use twice as much air as the front. We will check both ride height valves after we stop some of the air leaks and replace them if need be.

Mike
Pamela & Mike 97 U 320

"It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters."

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Reply #15
I agree with your plan of preemptively replacing the rhcvs. Easy to do (even the front if you have access to a pit) and something that'll strand you while waiting on parts if they fail on the road. I'd have killed for access to a pit while doing all this on my U320.


I hear ya. I cannot imagine doing some of this work on the flat ground. It would be brutal for me to do all this that Mike has done without a pit. I know I will never prevent failures but I am sure going to try to sway the odds in my favor as much as I can at this point. Even so, I will always have spares for most of the common parts traveling with me everywhere I go just in case. With most of the parts coming from Ch*na now days, I just don't have the comfort level I would like to.
Zack & Ginny Methvin
1998 U270 36' WTFE
Build# 5242 (E-25 code)
FMCA# 548390
Longview, Texas


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Reply #16
As of this writing it seems like the blown out diaphragms on both the front and rear tank protection/isolation valves are leaking more air than the compressor can make up. With this big leak it seems like there isn't enough air to make up when the ride height calls for air as you travel down the road. With 2 ride height valve in the rear you have a tendency to use twice as much air as the front. We will check both ride height valves after we stop some of the air leaks and replace them if need be.

Mike


Mike,
I ordered the isolation / protect valves, I will check to see when they will arrive.  The new air dyer will be here tomorrow.
Zack & Ginny Methvin
1998 U270 36' WTFE
Build# 5242 (E-25 code)
FMCA# 548390
Longview, Texas


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Reply #17
Several have ask in the past what there is to taking apart a Pure Air Plus so with this coach there is no rush like some that I work on. By no means is this a complete how to but it shows what is inside and what needs to be replaced when rebuilding.
1. The first pic is just what the unit looks like when removed from the coach.
2. Some people think that if you remove the desiccant canister (the orange one in this pic) along with the coalescing filter (DQ6036) you have rebuilt the air dryer. But not so as you need to freshen up the lower end also.
3. This is the isolation valve that has been removed. If your coach has one you need to take it off and clean it before you reinstall it. If you decide to just get a new dryer assembly from the parts store you still need to keep this part as it don't come with a new dryer. If you have to return the old dryer for a core and don't remove this you will need to buy a replacement. (KN23500)
4. Here is what is inside the isolation valve
5. It is hard to see but you will find gung down behind the piston
6. This is the internal discharge check valve. (RN60G) You will need to remove the 90 if you are buying a replacement dryer.
7. This disk has a rubber side and has to face to the dryer and not the 90. The rubber side is hard to see in this picture.
8. From left to right is the
      turbo valve (DQ6031)
      purge valve (DA33115)
      snap ring
9. This is how/where the purge valve goes in the housing.
10. A close up of the turbo valve and seat mentioned in #8 It is hidden internally.
11.  the parts you need to save from the old dryer if you are going with a store rebuilt unit.

If you are going to rebuild yourself you will most likely find if you buy a DQ6020 and a DQ6026 they are cheaper than buying a la carte and have all the parts listed.

There will be 2 post to get all the pics

Mike
           
Pamela & Mike 97 U 320

"It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters."

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Reply #18
Here is the rest
Pamela & Mike 97 U 320

"It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters."


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Reply #20
No pics.. but we pulled one of the hydraulic fan motors so we can reseal it. Once cleaned up and on the shop bench we may have a show and tell.

Mike
Pamela & Mike 97 U 320

"It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters."

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Reply #21
Mike, I've been following your and Zack's work here.

I'm just curious........by chance are there any houses in your neighborhood for sale?  ;)
Would love to be your neighbor!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mark & Bev
2001 U295 36' Slide
Cummins ISC 8.3 350HP
Build #5802
Jeep Wrangler Toad

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Reply #22
Mark,

Funny you should ask as this is a shot from my front porch.  Not only do you see the recycle bin but that is a for sale sign too.

Didn't do much today as had other obligations all morning. I did get all the parts cleaned and checked over for the rear 6pack rebuild.

Mike
Pamela & Mike 97 U 320

"It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters."

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Reply #23
Mark,

Funny you should ask as this is a shot from my front porch.  Not only do you see the recycle bin but that is a for sale sign too.


You could buy it as an investment and rent it to Foreforums members making the pilgrimage to seek your expertise and assistance  ;)
Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

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Reply #24
Something tells me that Mike probably wouldn't be getting much rest. Plus wonder what the neighbors would think of the constant stream of FT's ?  :D  :D
Mark & Bev
2001 U295 36' Slide
Cummins ISC 8.3 350HP
Build #5802
Jeep Wrangler Toad