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Potential Foretravel super C at Tampa [Re: Grandvention 2023]

From Grandvention 2023 Mineola, TX

Quote from: turbojack –
Lyle Reed's  takeaways

*Has Super C that will be shown at the Tampa show. Response from there will determine if will be built.



So - Tampa is just over a week away.  Any spy shots from Nac?  Any details being leaked (such as which Freightliner chassis - M2-106, S2RV, Cascadia)?
Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

Re: Potential Foretravel super C at Tampa [Re: Grandvention 2023]

Reply #1 –
I'll be at the show looking at leisure travel vans.(have one on order-long wait list) Will post anything interesting

Tim Fiedler    2025 LTV Unity MBL on Order
2000 Chevy Tracker 2 Door Convertible 4WD Now lifted 4.5"
1985 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston
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Re: Potential Foretravel super C at Tampa [Re: Grandvention 2023]

Reply #2 –
Quote from: Tim Fiedler –
I'll be at the show looking at leisure travel vans.(have one on order-long wait list) Will post anything interesting



Thanks - good stuff for the forum if the test coach materializes.

BTW, we had an LTV for a few years, post-Foretravel, and Brad Slaughter has one now (not ours).
Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

Re: Potential Foretravel super C at Tampa [Re: Grandvention 2023]

Reply #3 –
The SuperC will be a 4x4, or whatever you call such a thing.  Hold up is that the 4x4 production from the chassis manufacturer was on hold as of last October.
1998 36 foot U270 Build No. 5328 WTFE, 900 watts solar, Victron controller, B2B, bat monitor, 600 AMPH lithium with 2018 Chevy Colorado toad, SKP #110239, Motorcade #17781, 2021 Escape 17B for when Coach is broken down and campsites are too small, retired and full-timer since Dec. 2020. Part of RV family since 1963.

Re: Potential Foretravel super C at Tampa [Re: Grandvention 2023]

Reply #4 –
Quote from: Realmccoy –
The SuperC will be a 4x4, or whatever you call such a thing.  Hold up is that the 4x4 production from the chassis manufacturer was on hold as of last October.

If they're thinking "expedition vehicle" like a Unimog, it sounds like they're getting very bad product guidance...  You think they'd have learned after the class B "Micro Villa" they tried to market...
Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

Re: Potential Foretravel super C at Tampa [Re: Grandvention 2023]

Reply #5 –
Hopefully by "4x4" he's referring to tandem drive axles.  But I guess technically that would by 6x4 so maybe not.
George Mann
2002 U320 #5934
2017 Rubicon
2013 BMW GS
Waterford MI

Re: Potential Foretravel super C at Tampa [Re: Grandvention 2023]

Reply #6 –
I really hope they're not going down the earthroamer trail, that market is swamped with some established operators and a rising number of hopefuls. 4x4 shouts minimalist nonsense, my thought is that Foretravel fit, finish and luxury appointments will shrapnel unless mounted on a chassis like a CCC or MAN.
IMHO
88 Grand Villa 36' ORED 3208 (throwaway)Cat.
 Build # 3150
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Re: Potential Foretravel super C at Tampa [Re: Grandvention 2023]

Reply #7 –
If they build a Super C it should be high end on Freightliner Cascadia or equivalent and not the relatively tiny 4 * 4 Super C market.
Dan - Full timing since 2009
2003 U320 40' Tag 2 slide

Re: Potential Foretravel super C at Tampa [Re: Grandvention 2023]

Reply #8 –
Quote from: Michelle –
If they're thinking "expedition vehicle" like a Unimog, it sounds like they're getting very bad product guidance...  You think they'd have learned after the class B "Micro Villa" they tried to market...

Fortravel is getting their direction from Blue Compass. Which somewhat scares me.
2014 ih45  (4th Foretravel owned)
 1997 36' U295 Sold in 2020, owned for 19 years
  U240 36' Sold to insurance company after melting in garage fire
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Re: Potential Foretravel super C at Tampa [Re: Grandvention 2023]

Reply #9 –
Quote from: AC7880 –
If they build a Super C it should be high end on Freightliner Cascadia or equivavlent and not the relatively tiny 4 * 4 Super C market.

It would seem a more appropriate target, but Renegade and Showhauler dominate that space.  Renegade's used the same HWH air bladder slides on their Ikon for well over 15 years. 

The M2-106/112 space has even more experienced and established competition (as Newmar is discovering) as well. 
Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

Re: Potential Foretravel super C at Tampa [Re: Grandvention 2023]

Reply #10 –
Quote from: Michelle –
It would seem a more appropriate target, but Renegade and Showhauler dominate that space.  Renegade's used the same HWH air bladder slides on their Ikon for well over 15 years. 

The M2-106/112 space has even more experienced and established competition (as Newmar is discovering) as well. 
I did not know Renegade used any bladder slides.  Ikon is gone, XL apparently replaced it.

It will interesting to see what Foretravel is building as a test coach.  I thought the IC-37 would be more popular and continued, so who knows.
Dan - Full timing since 2009
2003 U320 40' Tag 2 slide

Re: Potential Foretravel super C at Tampa [Re: Grandvention 2023]

Reply #11 –
Quote from: AC7880 –
I did not know Renegade used any bladder slides.  Ikon is gone, XL apparently replaced it.

That was the only Renegade model I knew of to have the bladder slides, unless the XL now uses them.  (ETA - nope, looks like standard flange/bulb sealing.)

I think the IC-37's issues were floorplan (almost no kitchen counter space) and exterior.  The front cap and paint design was pretty off-putting, IMHO.  It looked more like a Thor ACE front engine gasser than a Foretravel.  I agree that it could have been a lot more popular if it had been done differently.  Pricewise, it competed with the Newmar NewAire which, while shorter, presented as a much nicer, higher amenity offering with better, more well-thought-out floorplans.
Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

Re: Potential Foretravel super C at Tampa [Re: Grandvention 2023]

Reply #12 –
Tampa Show:
Dan - Full timing since 2009
2003 U320 40' Tag 2 slide

Re: Potential Foretravel super C at Tampa [Re: Grandvention 2023]

Reply #14 –
Quote from: AC7880 –
Tampa Show:

Thanks Dan.

I guess Foretravel/Blue Compass didn't bring their prototype like Lyle Reed had announced in October.
Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

Re: Potential Foretravel super C at Tampa [Re: Grandvention 2023]

Reply #15 –
Interesting that they said they were doing a super c.  I love my c and would not go back to a class an again. Service is so much simpler and cheaper and the ride is great. I was talking to a couple super c owners and they get about 10-12 mpg as well.
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Re: Potential Foretravel super C at Tampa [Re: Grandvention 2023]

Reply #16 –
Quote from: Realmccoy –
The SuperC will be a 4x4, or whatever you call such a thing.  Hold up is that the 4x4 production from the chassis manufacturer was on hold as of last October.

Thinking more about this, it sounds like once again they are going with something that's not common in the market.  Clearly not a Freightliner chassis, which is the most common Super C "underpinning".  I can't think of any common truck-based chassis currently on hold (although perhaps this indicates there is a "diesel-gate"-like underlying issue with whatever they prototyped on - Dodge Cummins-based Ram?).  That means whatever they are prototyping is something that might have issues getting service down the line.
Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

Re: Potential Foretravel super C at Tampa [Re: Grandvention 2023]

Reply #17 –
Quote from: Michelle –
Quote from: Realmccoy –
The SuperC will be a 4x4, or whatever you call such a thing.  Hold up is that the 4x4 production from the chassis manufacturer was on hold as of last October.

Thinking more about this, it sounds like once again they are going with something that's not common in the market.  Clearly not a Freightliner chassis, which is the most common Super C "underpinning".  I can't think of any common truck-based chassis currently on hold (although perhaps this indicates there is a "diesel-gate"-like underlying issue with whatever they prototyped on - Dodge Cummins-based Ram?).  That means whatever they are prototyping is something that might have issues getting service down the line.
Showhauler built a few 4*4 Super C's.  I think some were on Freightliner chassis.
Dan - Full timing since 2009
2003 U320 40' Tag 2 slide

Re: Potential Foretravel super C at Tampa [Re: Grandvention 2023]

Reply #18 –
Well it looks like Blue Compass has posted pics of the supper C. Seems like if they wanted us die hard owners to see it we wouldn't have to go around the bush and find info. But if you are interested the coach has been unveiled today.

Pamela & Mike

Pamela & Mike 97 U 320

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Re: Potential Foretravel super C at Tampa [Re: Grandvention 2023]

Reply #19 –
Looks like any other super c... can't say I'm a fan of this black wheel trend they're on.
1987 Grand Villa ORED
2001 U320 4010

Not all that wander are lost... but I often am.

Re: Potential Foretravel super C at Tampa [Re: Grandvention 2023]

Reply #20 –
Quote from: Elliott –
Looks like any other super c... can't say I'm a fan of this black wheel trend they're on.

Great scope out.  Any other details found?  Chassis?

Also not a fan of the black wheels or the black cab.  Almost has a Jayco/Thor vibe.

Seems to have a rather large rear overhang.
Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

Re: Potential Foretravel super C at Tampa [Re: Grandvention 2023]

Reply #21 –
Quote from: Michelle –
Great scope out.  Any other details found?  Chassis?

Also not a fan of the black wheels or the black cab.  Almost has a Jayco/Thor vibe.

Seems to have a rather large rear overhang.
Sorry that's all I've got, borrowed it from Facebook. I noticed the large tailswing too and agree about the Thor vibe. It definitely does not present with the same prestige most foretravels do.
1987 Grand Villa ORED
2001 U320 4010

Not all that wander are lost... but I often am.

Re: Potential Foretravel super C at Tampa [Re: Grandvention 2023]

Reply #22 –
Quote from: Elliott –
Looks like any other super c... can't say I'm a fan of this black wheel trend they're on.

I agree about the black wheels, they look like you had to put spare tires on the coach.
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Re: Potential Foretravel super C at Tampa [Re: Grandvention 2023]

Reply #23 –
Quote from: Elliott –
Looks like any other super c... can't say I'm a fan of this black wheel trend they're on.
Looks like a low end chassis. S2RV  or M2 at best.

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Dan - Full timing since 2009
2003 U320 40' Tag 2 slide

Re: Potential Foretravel super C at Tampa [Re: Grandvention 2023]

Reply #24 –
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