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Re: Bulkhead rebuild

Reply #50
1 1/2" flat steel cut into 2" or 3" pieces with a hole drilled in the middle would be easy to make and spread the load nicely.

That is exactly what I used for "washers" in the inboard side of the bulkhead box beams.  Had a metal fabricator cut the pieces, then I drilled them.
Brett Wolfe
EX: 1993 U240
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Reply #51
What is the best paint to use on the frame to stop rust.
I've been thinking of urethane foam to cover the bottom where insulation needs to be and looking
for pros and cons.
Peter and Frieda Morin
1999 36ft. U320 Foretravel
Build # 5436
1998 Suzuki Sidekick Sport

Re: Bulkhead rebuild

Reply #52
Not sure I understand.

The foam insulation is BETWEEN the box beam grid.  There is no insulation under the box beams, only the FG/filon sheet.
Brett Wolfe
EX: 1993 U240
Moderator, ForeForum 2001-
Moderator Diesel RV Club 2002-
Moderator, FMCA Forum 2009-2020
Chairman FMCA Technical Advisory Committee 2011-2020

Re: Bulkhead rebuild

Reply #53
For a paint recommendation,  you might look into Flourokem HS100 from Sherwin Williams.
George Mann
2002 U320 #5934
2017 Rubicon
2013 BMW GS
Waterford MI

Re: Bulkhead rebuild

Reply #54
Peter,

Up until the last generation of Vogue motorhome that was built up in Prior, OK they used spray foam and didn't have it covered with filon. One of the engineers told me it was the best for sound, R value, and not trapping water. The down side was damage from road junk being kicked up from the tires.

Mike
Pamela & Mike 97 U 320

"It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters."

Re: Bulkhead rebuild

Reply #55
Peter,

Up until the last generation of Vogue motorhome that was built up in Prior, OK they used spray foam and didn't have it covered with filon. One of the engineers told me it was the best for sound, R value, and not trapping water. The down side was damage from road junk being kicked up from the tires.
That is one heck of an idea, with some small mesh screen covering the foam, would make for an easy repair
1999 36 ft U270
Build 5465

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Reply #56
Por 15 is my go to paint for the Coach undercarriage.
Richard & Betty Bark & Keiko our Golden Doodle
2003 U320T 3820 PBDS
Build # 6215
MC # 16926
2016 Chevrolet Colorado 4X4 diesel

Re: Bulkhead rebuild

Reply #57
What is the best paint to use on the frame to stop rust.
I've been thinking of urethane foam to cover the bottom where insulation needs to be and looking
for pros and cons.
I used Rust Bullitt.
91 GV U300 Unihome 40' Build 3811
6V92TA Detroit

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Reply #58
Mike I have use urethane foam on 2 class C motor homes and there was no wear. I would like
it to cover the frame.
Peter and Frieda Morin
1999 36ft. U320 Foretravel
Build # 5436
1998 Suzuki Sidekick Sport

Re: Bulkhead rebuild

Reply #59
I'm going to
weld all the joints all around and grind all the top and bottom welds smooth. Foretravel only did the vertical
welds.

Good call. That was just lazy on there part. I wouldn't be surprised that during the early builds they were closed welded but someone decided it saved money in both welding and flapwheeling smooth afterwards.

Re: Bulkhead rebuild

Reply #60
I think not welding the joints all around allows water in, which speeds up the deuteriation as it rusts
from inside and outside. 
Peter and Frieda Morin
1999 36ft. U320 Foretravel
Build # 5436
1998 Suzuki Sidekick Sport

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Reply #61
I think not welding the joints all around allows water in, which speeds up the deuteriation as it rusts
from inside and outside.
Yep I agree

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Reply #62
What is the best paint to use on the frame to stop rust.
I've been thinking of urethane foam to cover the bottom where insulation needs to be and looking
for pros and cons.
POR-15 is one possibility. There are a number of anti-corrosion coatings available today that will work. Zinc Chromate is a powerful anti-corrosive but difficult to work with due to high toxicity.
1989 Foretravel U300 Grand Villa
Build #3410

Re: Bulkhead rebuild

Reply #63
POR-15 is one possibility. There are a number of anti-corrosion coatings available today that will work. Zinc Chromate is a powerful anti-corrosive but difficult to work with due to high toxicity.

I have used both POR-15 and Chassis Saver on several car restoration projects. They work great for stopping rust. 2 things to note.
Must not be any oil/petroleum product on the frame when you paint it. It will not stick. Rust does not matter as long as the loose stuff is off.
Cannot be exposed to direct sunlight. It does not do well in UV. You must put a UV protectant on it if exposed.
Jeff & Carolyn
1999 36ft. U320 Foretravel

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Reply #64
And Rust Bullet is another good product as stump said.
Richard & Betty Bark & Keiko our Golden Doodle
2003 U320T 3820 PBDS
Build # 6215
MC # 16926
2016 Chevrolet Colorado 4X4 diesel

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Reply #65
Almost got it built. Need to buy one more length of tubing.
Peter and Frieda Morin
1999 36ft. U320 Foretravel
Build # 5436
1998 Suzuki Sidekick Sport

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Reply #66
Any body have any idea the amount of paint I would need to paint the frame?
Peter and Frieda Morin
1999 36ft. U320 Foretravel
Build # 5436
1998 Suzuki Sidekick Sport

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Reply #67
I would guess not more than one gallon.  What is the overall length of your new frame?  Is it the full basement floor frame or just the rear portion?  Also what size and wall thickness of tubing did you use?
George Mann
2002 U320 #5934
2017 Rubicon
2013 BMW GS
Waterford MI

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Reply #68
Thanks George. The tubing is is 11/2 in. so the tubing surface is 6 inches and the same as the angle
iron and I bought 10 pieces at 20 ft. , so it looks like around 100 square feet, so I guess 1 quart should
do it.
Peter and Frieda Morin
1999 36ft. U320 Foretravel
Build # 5436
1998 Suzuki Sidekick Sport

Re: Bulkhead rebuild

Reply #69
Any body have any idea the amount of paint I would need to paint the frame?

I know the POR-15 and Chassis Saver go a long way when applying unless a really rusty rough surface. So I would guess a quart would be more than enough. And applying more than one coat serves no purpose as long as you got coverage.
Jeff & Carolyn
1999 36ft. U320 Foretravel

Re: Bulkhead rebuild

Reply #70
What is the best paint to use on the frame to stop rust.
I've been thinking of urethane foam to cover the bottom where insulation needs to be and looking
for pros and cons.

I tried some 6 Lb. Density Expanding Pour Foam, 2 Part Polyurethane Closed Cell Liquid... on mine and it worked great. I only used it in one square. I was having trouble keeping things warm enough in the winter to get good expansion. but that section is great. It does create a bit of heat, so just be aware if you put the bottom sheet on before you pour the foam. The rest of the area I did the XPS foam boards like they had originally. I ended up putting sheet metal on the bottom instead of the original sheeting and riveting it into the frame. I figure it would add some protection to the underside.

If I had to do it again, I would rivet the sheet on, then pour the foam over everything and maybe use the 2lb foam since the 6lb is pretty dense. It cut easy with a reciprocating saw and sanded great with a belt sander to get a smooth finish.
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1991 U300 Side Aisle 6V92 Silver #3897
2004 U320 40' #6246

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Reply #71
I tried some 6 Lb. Density Expanding Pour Foam, 2 Part Polyurethane Closed Cell Liquid... on mine and it worked great. I only used it in one square. I was having trouble keeping things warm enough in the winter to get good expansion. but that section is great. It does create a bit of heat, so just be aware if you put the bottom sheet on before you pour the foam. The rest of the area I did the XPS foam boards like they had originally. I ended up putting sheet metal on the bottom instead of the original sheeting and riveting it into the frame. I figure it would add some protection to the underside.

If I had to do it again, I would rivet the sheet on, then pour the foam over everything and maybe use the 2lb foam since the 6lb is pretty dense. It cut easy with a reciprocating saw and sanded great with a belt sander to get a smooth finish.
6 lbs foam is crazy heavy. I used to cut truckloads of 1 lbs foam and always thought 2lbs foam was so heavy. When I was building boats we used pour foam with great results and I really recommend it but there is a learning curve. I really like the closed cell also because of the lower ability to absorb water. little known fact that the polystyrene foam uses water during its expansion and curing and untill all the water has been lost to the environment its still in the foam. Seasoned foam generally will have lowered its water content and is more stable. 1.5 inch thick wont be a issue. I remember cutting fresh foam and having the water sizzle while cutting it with a hot wire. I always preferred ordering 43"x50" 15 foot long foam billets big blocks. This would allow me to square them up . Pour foam with great is wonderful in so many ways
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Reply #72
Now would be a great time to plan on putting your cord and hose reels on a shelf and making storage room for Waste Master sewer hose.  Eliminate the door and tube.
The top pic is a screenshot of someone else's (Don's maybe?) bay.  The bottom pic is mine.
Dave and Kelli
1997 U295 40' Build #5188 CSGI
1995 U240 36' Build #4621 SBID-SOLD
2006 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon

Re: Bulkhead rebuild

Reply #73
6 lbs foam is crazy heavy. I used to cut truckloads of 1 lbs foam and always thought 2lbs foam was so heavy.
Now you tell me. I figured I would need the 6lb for strength. I had no idea how solid that stuff is once it sets up.
1991 U300 Side Aisle 6V92 Silver #3897
2004 U320 40' #6246

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Reply #74
Got it altogether. the next thing is to drill all the mounting bolt holes, which is a big job and then I
need to turn it over and weld the bottom.
Peter and Frieda Morin
1999 36ft. U320 Foretravel
Build # 5436
1998 Suzuki Sidekick Sport