Re: Lots of White Smoke Reply #125 – June 21, 2019, 03:04:45 pm Put an O' in front of your name and we can blame you for the Chicago fire. Quote Selected
Re: Lots of White Smoke Reply #126 – June 21, 2019, 03:30:32 pm Quote from: John44 – June 21, 2019, 03:04:45 pmPut an O' in front of your name and we can blame you for the Chicago fire. Add 'Timothy' instead of mine and blame the whole counterculture revolution in the sixties on me! Quote Selected
Re: Lots of White Smoke Reply #127 – June 21, 2019, 04:34:40 pm Quote from: mike leary – June 21, 2019, 03:30:32 pmAdd 'Timothy' instead of mine and blame the whole counterculture revolution in the sixties on me! Blame? I'd like to take the credit!Pierce Quote Selected 3 Likes
Re: Lots of White Smoke Reply #128 – June 21, 2019, 04:42:31 pm Quote from: Protech Racing – June 21, 2019, 01:42:04 pm I can put you in touch with a quality injection/ HD truck tech , that can come to you and get you up and running . Call me and I'll shoot his #. The transit will be 500 or so . I trust him completely and he works for me when his racing overlaps mine . He has keys to my shop . Thank you, as soon as we get the injectors back and I have it running again we may do that. I don't want to have anyone show up until we're at least back to where we started. Quote Selected
Re: Lots of White Smoke Reply #129 – June 21, 2019, 05:31:18 pm Quote from: mike leary – June 21, 2019, 03:30:32 pmAdd 'Timothy' instead of mine and blame the whole counterculture revolution in the sixties on me! Nothing like a little LSD to take the edge off haha. Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: Lots of White Smoke Reply #130 – June 21, 2019, 06:12:49 pm Quote from: The Soft Boulders – June 21, 2019, 10:37:33 amIf I was able to get a leak down tester wouldn't I still need to find the correct adapter to fit in the hole for our specific injector? It can't be a universal piece can it? Leak down testers come with a variety of adapters. If you'll find out thread dia and pitch I'll check my kit. If the proper adapter is there I'll be happy to loan my kit to you. Only ask you return it when done. Can't be a bad thing to know condition of rings, valves and seats, head gasket and compression on each cyl. Like others say it won't test valve guides but you can eliminate a lot of variables. (But Protech's reference to a top shelf mechanic is probably the best way to go if you can swing it ) Quote Selected
Re: Lots of White Smoke Reply #131 – June 21, 2019, 06:23:04 pm Quote from: Chuck Pearson – June 21, 2019, 06:12:49 pmLeak down testers come with a variety of adapters. If you'll find out thread dia and pitch I'll check my kit. If the proper adapter is there I'll be happy to loan my kit to you. Only ask you return it when done. Can't be a bad thing to know condition of rings, valves and seats, head gasket and compression on each cyl. Like others say it won't test valve guides but you can eliminate a lot of variables. (But Protech's reference to a top shelf mechanic is probably the best way to go if you can swing it )Thank you, Chuck! I will see what I can find but I don't believe our injectors have any type of thread on them. The adapter should look like an injector and it will be held in place by the retainers. Quote Selected
Re: Lots of White Smoke Reply #132 – June 21, 2019, 06:24:22 pm Like this. I'm finding cummins pt # 3164840 Quote Selected
Re: Lots of White Smoke Reply #133 – June 21, 2019, 07:23:58 pm Diesel Adapter M17 Injector - Cummins Case C SeriesFound this but the problem is that I don't know what injectors we have. This is for the Bosch M17 injector but that might not be what we need. Quote Selected
Re: Lots of White Smoke Reply #134 – June 21, 2019, 07:31:12 pm The compression tester with all the adapters posted earlier can probably be used with the leak down tester. Several of the adapters were for Cummins. You could just pull the compression quick connect and snap on the leak down quick connect and do both at almost the same time.Did you ever check your delivery pressure from the secondary filter to the injection pump? Probably one of the first things to do.Easy gauge installation with only a "T" needed. This eliminates low fuel pressure possibilities. Need remote gauge or camera for full load readings. This is my idle pressure.Pierce Quote Selected
Re: Lots of White Smoke Reply #135 – June 21, 2019, 08:15:51 pm Quote from: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart – June 21, 2019, 07:31:12 pmDid you ever check your delivery pressure from the secondary filter to the injection pump? Probably one of the first things to do.Easy gauge installation with only a "T" needed. This eliminates low fuel pressure possibilities. Need remote gauge or camera for full load readings. This is my idle pressure.The mechanic did check the fuel pressure and said it was good but the engine wasn't under load. Quote Selected
Re: Lots of White Smoke Reply #136 – June 24, 2019, 11:26:32 pm Called the mechanic today. No answer. so I drive to his shop and spoke with him. He said he'd been in PA for training since Wednesday and that he'd have them tested and let me know tonight. No call. Have a feeling that tomorrow won't produce a call either. Hopefully we're wrong. Found the problem with the generator, the radiator is plugged full of junk. It was getting too hot, overflowing coolant everywhere and shutting itself off. And also the exhaust is broken in half at the manifold and filling the compartment and probably the cabin with exhaust. We made some room on the engine by removing the two useless ac compressors that were sitting in the way of everything. There was no refrigerant in the system and it was all filled with rust, and one of the lines were already broken so we just cut the other ones and got it all out of the way. We're supposed to be in PA this weekend to see family but I don't think that's going to happen. I don't know if this is typical of coach ownership or full-timing but this has been an insane past 6 months. I'm addicted though. There's nothing like a good old fashioned trial-by-fire haha! Quote Selected 3 Likes
Re: Lots of White Smoke Reply #137 – June 25, 2019, 04:11:24 am Others will chime in but I have a 96 with the same engine and only have 1 AC compressor,how is yours set up with 2? Quote Selected
Re: Lots of White Smoke Reply #138 – June 25, 2019, 09:15:05 am I was wrong, thankfully. The mechanic called this morning and said all of our injectors tested good and that he'd be down this afternoon to get it all back together. He is going to bring his timing kit and double check the timing on the injection pump. Hopefully we'll have a better idea by tonight what's going on. Quote Selected 3 Likes
Re: Lots of White Smoke Reply #139 – June 25, 2019, 09:20:26 am Quote from: John44 – June 25, 2019, 04:11:24 amOthers will chime in but I have a 96 with the same engine and only have 1 AC compressor,how is yours set up with 2?One of the compressors circulates (or did) the refrigerant in the basement unit. The system was designed so that the basement ac could be operated via the engine compressor and the inverter could power the fans. That way the generator was not required to operate the ac while driving. The lines to the basement unit were disconnected years ago. Quote Selected
Re: Lots of White Smoke Reply #140 – June 25, 2019, 09:57:50 am Quote from: John44 – June 25, 2019, 04:11:24 amOthers will chime in but I have a 96 with the same engine and only have 1 AC compressor,how is yours set up with 2?John,In case you missed it, read the long thread linked below to learn about the VERY unique Foretravel coach owned by Hannah & Tyler.RVAC Central Air Conditioner Quote Selected
Re: Lots of White Smoke Reply #141 – June 25, 2019, 01:12:24 pm What was the question? Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: Lots of White Smoke Reply #142 – June 25, 2019, 09:35:32 pm Quote from: mike leary – June 25, 2019, 01:12:24 pmWhat was the question?The mechanic never showed up and never called. Drama indeed! Quote Selected
Re: Lots of White Smoke Reply #143 – June 25, 2019, 09:47:31 pm Wait til you get your parts back then try Facebook as a means to get your opinion of him out there good or bad. Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: Lots of White Smoke Reply #144 – June 25, 2019, 10:23:24 pm Quote from: John44 – June 25, 2019, 09:47:31 pmWait til you get your parts back then try Facebook as a means to get your opinion of him out there good or bad.I'd really rather just pay him for his time, get our parts back and put the hole charade behind us. I can understand something coming up and having to postpone but it's aggravating when someone says they're going to do something and then they don't. It's really aggravating when they don't have the decency to call and say they can't make it. Oh well.I did take some time and today to adjust the valve lash so the day wasn't a total loss. Quote Selected 2 Likes
Re: Lots of White Smoke Reply #145 – June 25, 2019, 10:29:07 pm Were any valves real loose or tight? Quote Selected
Re: Lots of White Smoke Reply #146 – June 25, 2019, 11:32:35 pm Quote from: John44 – June 25, 2019, 10:29:07 pmWere any valves real loose or tight?They were all good. I only adjusted three and that was more to just try it than anything They probably would have been fine but now that I've done it, it's not intimidating. I'm rethinking my opinion about the turbo not being the culprit. There was a faint but very oil-like substance around the area where the gasket was allowing exhaust to escape. I took the turbo off to have a look and one bank of the exhaust inlet was lightly damp and had an oil smell to it. I guess I don't understand how it would be causing the smoke and the residue in the head without leaving a large trail of oil.We're about seven hours from Turbo Exchange and if they can do a warranty tear down on it Thursday I'll probably drive down and have them do it. I'm anxious to find out if we made a wise decision on going with the cheap turbo or if the $1700 genuine Holset from Cummins was really the better deal. Quote Selected
Re: Lots of White Smoke Reply #147 – June 26, 2019, 02:35:12 am Have rebuilt hundreds of larger turbos,all brands including Holset my point being a brand new one will last longer then a rebuilt,inmy opinion of course.99% of them had an oil related problem,carboned up oil passages,that's probably one reason I use syntheticoil. Quote Selected
Re: Lots of White Smoke Reply #148 – June 26, 2019, 09:43:45 am Quote from: The Soft Boulders – June 25, 2019, 11:32:35 pm>They were all good. I only adjusted three and that was more to just try it than anything They probably would have been fine but >now that I've done it, it's not intimidating.C'mon down!. I have a pair of Honda V-4 motorcycle engines. You can adjust the valves in those, and, once done, you'll be good to tackle anything. >>I'm rethinking my opinion about the turbo not being the culprit. There was a faint but very oil-like substance around the area >>where the gasket was allowing exhaust to escape. I took the turbo off to have a look and one bank of the exhaust inlet was lightly >>damp and had an oil smell to it. I guess I don't understand how it would be causing the smoke and the residue in the head >>without leaving a large trail of oil.What we know.The oil would need to go through the engine to foul the exhaust ports.White smoke is unburned oil.Diesel fuel is turned into a fine white fog by the fuel injector.The engine starts and runs normally.Now we can make an educated guess.Raw engine oil leaking past the oil seals in the turbo follows the intake air.The oil boils and becomes a cool vapor in the cylinder and is exhausted, unburnt.Part of that was my reasoning for faulty exhaust valve seals and or loose valve guides. Oil would flow down the exhaust valve stems, boil in the exhaust gases and emerge as a white, unburnt, vapor.If your turbo is leaking enough to create the white smoke, you've been a very lucky man so far. Just as you can run a diesel engine on starting ether, you can run a diesel engine on lubricating oil from a leaking turbo-supercharger. The only way to save an engine when this happens is to use a board to close off the intake air, because you have a positive feedback loop. More air. more oil, more exhaust. Quote Selected
Re: Lots of White Smoke Reply #149 – June 26, 2019, 09:50:12 am I have never seen a runaway except it the Detroits. The ones I worked on had the lever to block air at the blower. Not saying it couldn't happen, just never experienced it as heavy equipment mechanic. Quote Selected
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