Re: Bit by the Sheppard M100 bug Reply #100 – November 14, 2019, 04:33:24 pm My bad Chuck, what I was referring to is the retaining Bolt with a five eights inch ALLEN head bolt and locking tabs. Just shows how tired I am today!Don Quote Selected
Re: Bit by the Sheppard M100 bug Reply #101 – November 14, 2019, 05:12:36 pm My setup must be different only about 3" between bolt and generator housing. No plate to remove. I have a 5/8 allen that I can put a pipe on to remove the bolt. Quote Selected
Re: Bit by the Sheppard M100 bug Reply #102 – November 14, 2019, 07:51:56 pm Chuck, I have the same setup as you I could not break the nut loose with 5/8 Allen and Cheater bar so I put my air jack under the Allen with a 3/4" X 20 pipe extension. cut a notch in top of pipe so Allen would not slip off other end on jack. It broke loose and was easy to get out after initial break loose.My puller is different than Dave's that is reason for plug over threaded shaft in gearbox. I put a 7/8 -11 thread in face plate then tighten bolt against plug. The inside of my puller is 2" inside -front to back, and it just barely firs over the pitman arm.For me to use the 5/8 bole in original hole with nut pushing out on puller I would have to build the puller 3" inside front to back.Originally my back plate was 1/4 plate with a 2-1/2 inch notch to dit over the shaft. When I tightened it up with substantial torque the back (1/4") plate bent quite a bit. The new puller has 3/8" for the back plate, so tomorrow I'll see it it will work!!!Had to take a break today and go see big boy in North Little RockPics under Big Boy PostChris Quote Selected
Re: Bit by the Sheppard M100 bug Reply #103 – November 14, 2019, 09:20:49 pm Here are a few pictures during the removal process and access on a 99' U270 with the 8KW Powertech (Radiator is mounted on the generator slide). I didn't do anything with the steering column inside the coach, but were I to start over, I WOULD unbolt the steering column and lift it from the inside to free the input shat from the U-joint. I took it out from inside the compartment. Shipping weight was 92.3 lbs. packed in a box, so maybe 85 lbs. for the unit itself. The helpful receptionist(?) assured me that if I used their shipping label, I would be fully covered for a replacement if damaged or lost in shipping.Don Quote Selected 8 Likes
Re: Bit by the Sheppard M100 bug Reply #104 – November 15, 2019, 04:53:19 pm Quote from: Don & Tys – November 14, 2019, 09:20:49 pmHere are a few pictures during the removal process and access on a 99' U270 with the 8KW Powertech (Radiator is mounted on the generator slide). I didn't do anything with the steering column inside the coach, but I WOULD unbolt the steering column and lift it from the inside to free the input shat from the U-joint. I took it out from inside the compartment. Shipping weight was 92.3 lbs. packed in a box, so maybe 85 lbs. for the unit itself. The helpful receptionist(?) assured me that if I used their shipping label, I would be fully covered for a replacement if damaged or lost in shipping.DonDon, when we did them in the shop, we simply used a couple bungees to hold it up to the dash bottom.I may be preaching at the choir, looks like you have it under control.Chris Quote Selected
Re: Bit by the Sheppard M100 bug Reply #105 – November 15, 2019, 04:56:12 pm Got Sheppard box out with some modification and gravity--Getting it back in will be the trick!!!any suggestions other than just lifting it up would be appreciated. As Don said it is heavy.Took it to local repair shop where they have all the equipment to test it after rebuild. I talked to a local truck repair shop and they recommended these guys. Fellow at shop said they(Powers Truck and Equipment) did all their gear boxes.Chris Quote Selected
Re: Bit by the Sheppard M100 bug Reply #106 – November 15, 2019, 04:58:59 pm I've read posts on using a floor jack. Until I do mine, I can only guess how they use it. I have a motorcycle jack and a transmission jack that I will probably use as they are more stable, 4 wide wheels. Quote Selected
Re: Bit by the Sheppard M100 bug Reply #107 – November 15, 2019, 05:03:18 pm My floor jack won't go that high I need almost 30 inches ( I have coach blocked up as high as it will go) I'm figuring on a trip to HFto see what they have in small lift tables.craneman don't let the box mash you when it comes out.Chris Quote Selected
Re: Bit by the Sheppard M100 bug Reply #108 – November 15, 2019, 05:12:24 pm The motorcycle jack they sell can have wood cribbage added for more height. I have railroad ties and some 12x12 blocks I have used with mine. Quote Selected
Re: Bit by the Sheppard M100 bug Reply #109 – November 15, 2019, 11:26:33 pm Reading the above, it sounds like you have to get it out towards the headlights rather than through the compartment. I just put a plastic foldable stool under it and rocked it back towards me. I gather not having the blower and radiator with out little 8K generator has made this job a relative piece of cake... I am okay with that ! Quote Selected 2 Likes
Re: Bit by the Sheppard M100 bug Reply #110 – November 16, 2019, 05:47:33 am I had my steering box out for rebuild on my 97 U320. I removed it through the front drivers side compartment. I used a 5 ft long 2x12 and a lift table. On mine there was enough room (2" clearance) under the M100 to slide one end of the 2x12 and support it on the the metal frame of the compartment back wall. Then raise the hydraulic lift table up to the proper height to create a platform for removal and installation. I used a piece of plywood on top of the 2x12 to create the exact height so that the box would not fall when unbolted and could be removed safely by one person. Just one option that worked for me. Quote Selected 3 Likes
Re: Bit by the Sheppard M100 bug Reply #111 – November 16, 2019, 10:23:55 am Quote from: John & Genni – November 16, 2019, 05:47:33 amI had my steering box out for rebuild on my 97 U320. I removed it through the front drivers side compartment. I used a 5 ft long 2x12 and a lift table. On mine there was enough room (2" clearance) under the M100 to slide one end of the 2x12 and support it on the the metal frame of the compartment back wall. Then raise the hydraulic lift table up to the proper height to create a platform for removal and installation. I used a piece of plywood on top of the 2x12 to create the exact height so that the box would not fall when unbolted and could be removed safely by one person. Just one option that worked for me.Did you remove the remote radiator? Quote Selected
Re: Bit by the Sheppard M100 bug Reply #112 – November 16, 2019, 12:32:21 pm Ah crap. Last time we drove it thought the box needed to be replaced. Reading this tells me it's time. Really really don't want to go there now with my home owners association giving me grief about the coach in my own driveway...Might be needing that tool in a month or two. Quote Selected
Re: Bit by the Sheppard M100 bug Reply #113 – November 16, 2019, 01:08:29 pm Bob, if you take it out can't move coach!!!I'm glad to lice in rural area even with all its drawbacks I don't have some busy body telling me what I can't do!!Good luckChris Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: Bit by the Sheppard M100 bug Reply #114 – November 16, 2019, 02:53:35 pm Yes Chuck, I took everything out of the compartment, and while empty repainted everything. Quote Selected
Re: Bit by the Sheppard M100 bug Reply #115 – November 20, 2019, 05:56:48 pm Update: I just heard from Redhead that the box is done. I asked what was done to it and this is what Brad told me: new seals, some of the seal seats were resurfaced, sector shaft cleaned up and the ball bearings were upsized to reduce slop. I couldn't feel any play by hand with the box out by turning the input shaft before sending it in, and never felt that there was a dead spot while driving, but maybe it will be even better now. I can't wait to get it back in and hit the road! The cost was as quoted, $496 for the 'custom' rebuild, $72 to ship each way so $640 total. No charge to paint the top of it red . They got it yesterday at about 11am and was told that it was finished today at around noon. Trying to get to our stomping grounds by thanksgiving and I told the receptionist just that. I think they got right on it. It is Wednesday and I have tracking for the UPS shipment. It should get here on Friday to the UPS store in Folsom... I will be right there waiting! Don Quote Selected 19 Likes
Re: Bit by the Sheppard M100 bug Reply #116 – November 22, 2019, 06:54:04 pm Got gear box back in--felt like I had been beat at the end of the day-- Borrowed a 600 FTLB torque wrench mine only went to 250 need 350 cut a 5/8" Allen wrench put it in a 1/2" drive impact socket, cut the drive end off the 1/2" drive socket with lathe then welded the 5/8 socket into a 3/4 drive 15/16 socket-- I know it's going around the world but I didn't have enough room for the torque wrench and the adapter then socket and no one around here has a 5/8 socket that is 3/4 drive. Then the trick was to get it Torqued to 350 FT LB -. I think I strained my wheaties doing that. "According to Sheppard they recommend changing the oil in the system when box is rebuilt". The re-build company put the box on what they called a dynamometer and pressure checked everything with oil running through it. Do I still need to change the oil in the system and replace the filters? ThanksChris Quote Selected
Re: Bit by the Sheppard M100 bug Reply #117 – November 22, 2019, 07:25:32 pm Quote from: Chris m lang – November 22, 2019, 06:54:04 pmGot gear box back in--felt like I had been beat at the end of the day-- Borrowed a 600 FTLB torque wrench mine only went to 250 need 350 cut a 5/8" Allen wrench put it in a 1/2" drive impact socket, cut the drive end off the 1/2" drive socket with lathe then welded the 5/8 socket into a 3/4 drive 15/16 socket-- I know it's going around the world but I didn't have enough room for the torque wrench and the adapter then socket and no one around here has a 5/8 socket that is 3/4 drive. Then the trick was to get it Torqued to 350 FT LB -. I think I strained my wheaties doing that. "According to Sheppard they recommend changing the oil in the system when box is rebuilt". The re-build company put the box on what they called a dynamometer and pressure checked everything with oil running through it. Do I still need to change the oil in the system and replace the filters? ThanksChrisI would, all coaches we got in and PDI'd, we did the full service. The sump and the 3 filters was included. I have no issues, but did mine this summer.Just Sayin' Quote Selected
Re: Bit by the Sheppard M100 bug Reply #118 – November 22, 2019, 10:11:43 pm This topic interests me as I will be putting the Sheppard back in tomorrow. At this point, I don't plan on changing the hydraulic oil until we get back. The hard parts in mine were all okay and I know that it never ran low on oil. Besides anything in the return line is going through the filters before it gets back to the pump and the supply is coming from the pump. So unless the pump is trashed and sending debris up the line, I don't see how changing the oil would be necessary before moving it. We have about 500 miles to go before we are back in So Cal... knock on wood.DonQuote from: Chris m lang – November 22, 2019, 06:54:04 pmGot gear box back in--felt like I had been beat at the end of the day-- Borrowed a 600 FTLB torque wrench mine only went to 250 need 350 cut a 5/8" Allen wrench put it in a 1/2" drive impact socket, cut the drive end off the 1/2" drive socket with lathe then welded the 5/8 socket into a 3/4 drive 15/16 socket-- I know it's going around the world but I didn't have enough room for the torque wrench and the adapter then socket and no one around here has a 5/8 socket that is 3/4 drive. Then the trick was to get it Torqued to 350 FT LB -. I think I strained my wheaties doing that. "According to Sheppard they recommend changing the oil in the system when box is rebuilt". The re-build company put the box on what they called a dynamometer and pressure checked everything with oil running through it. Do I still need to change the oil in the system and replace the filters? ThanksChris Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: Bit by the Sheppard M100 bug Reply #119 – November 23, 2019, 01:58:45 am I agree with you Don. In a perfect world, I would do it. I blow out the trans cooler and lines, every trans refreshing on my race car. But my car is on the hoist. You are traveling.I am sure you keep your stuff in top notch shape, and yes, if it had blown up or something, I would be more concerned. Safe TripChris Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: Bit by the Sheppard M100 bug Reply #120 – November 23, 2019, 09:12:23 am Quote from: gracerace – November 23, 2019, 01:58:45 amI agree with you Don. In a perfect world, I would do it. I blow out the trans cooler and lines, every trans refreshing on my race car. But my car is on the hoist. You are traveling.I am sure you keep your stuff in top notch shape, and yes, if it had blown up or something, I would be more concerned. Safe TripChrisWell Delo 400 has additives and those do wear out over time and use, and even though you're comparing apples and lemons, it certainly would not be a bad thing to replace, the possibly original equipment, hydraulic oil and filters.Another way to think about this is three questions. How much for oil and filters? How much for a power steering pump? and How much for a fan motor? Quote Selected
Re: Bit by the Sheppard M100 bug Reply #121 – November 23, 2019, 09:34:54 am In my case, the hydraulic oil and filters have been changed twice in our ownership since 2011. It is of course desirable to change it, but necessary to do it before we get to home base? I don't think so... When we get back I will get that done along with oil and coolant before heading to AZ for the Q. DonQuote from: Old Toolmaker – November 23, 2019, 09:12:23 amWell Delo 400 has additives and those do wear out over time and use, and even though you're comparing apples and lemons, it certainly would not be a bad thing to replace, the possibly original equipment, hydraulic oil and filters.Another way to think about this is three questions. How much for oil and filters? How much for a power steering pump? and How much for a fan motor? Quote Selected 2 Likes
Re: Bit by the Sheppard M100 bug Reply #122 – November 23, 2019, 10:10:33 am Quote from: Don & Tys – November 23, 2019, 09:34:54 am It is of course desirable to change it, but necessary to do it before we get to home base? I don't think so...Don,I agree, change after you get to home base this will give time for the system to circulate through "old" filters. Now if you had a complete failure of some component that would be different. Mike Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: Bit by the Sheppard M100 bug Reply #123 – November 23, 2019, 01:39:03 pm Quote from: Don & Tys – November 23, 2019, 09:34:54 amIn my case, the hydraulic oil and filters have been changed twice in our ownership since 2011. It is of course desirable to change it, but necessary to do it before we get to home base? I don't think so... When we get back I will get that done along with oil and coolant before heading to AZ for the Q. DonYeah I screwed the pooch on that one. Of course do it after you get home! No harm, no foul. No contaminants, no bits and pieces. Only some seals that reached their service life.FWIW on a strange Swiss lathe eponymously called the Escomatic, when the spindles became loose we'd install slightly larger balls in the bearings and put them back in service. Esco it seems never thought about removing the races . . . Quote Selected
Re: Bit by the Sheppard M100 bug Reply #124 – November 23, 2019, 02:31:39 pm I may have missed it, but I don't recall anybody describing the bleeding process after reinstalling the steering box. The instructions that came with the rebuilt units mentions that you have to work the steering wheel back-and-forth lock to lock 15 to 20 times, of course after having raise the front wheels off the ground without starting the vehicle.I believe I can contrive a way to get the front wheels off the ground with my bottle jack, but it won't be easy because it is about 3/4 of an inch too tall to slide underneath so I will have to do a little bit of excavation... Anyway, I am posting the instructions for those who have done this process to comment whether or not they did something different to bleed the air out of the system. I judge the volume of the shepherd box to be a half gallon or less. They don't mention pre-filling the box before hooking up the line. But then again, I doubt there would be much benefit to that.Don Quote Selected 3 Likes
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