Hydraulic pump Failed **ALL FORETRAVEL OWNERS SHOULD READ**

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Re: Hydraulic pump Failed ALL FORETRAVEL OWNERS SHOULD READ

Reply #275 – January 11, 2024, 08:45:01 am

Quote from: bbeane – January 10, 2024, 11:34:02 pm

With issue of pump(s) availability being resolved through all the hard work of one of our members. If you have a 41188 pump with a tapered shaft and are ordering a new pump, you may want to think about the pulley, adapter, and nut. When the shaft breaks the broken shaft pulley and adapter may go to parts unknown, without them a new pump doesn't help. The pulley it's self is a Cummins 3046206, the adapter is supposedly a FT part # P38910. As of 3 weeks ago they had one in stock. With that said I doubt FT had that part custom made. More research required!

Bruce,
Yep I got real lucky on that part, once off, it can very easily slip between the engine mount/rear bumper/mudflap area....mine was wedged at an angle in that area, but could have ended up in the front end of my toad, windshield of toad, someone elses windshield or worse yet in the woods or median god knows where.

Post us a picture of the safety net we discussed and you have already done......I fully agree with your comment, but more may want to do what we talked about. Mike

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Reply #276 – January 11, 2024, 09:22:59 am

For those of you that may have a straight shaft pump like ours on our '95 - U280 it's made by
John Barnes Corp model# W9A2-1800118, Simone is trying to find out if they can cross reference it to something they may have or can produce.
She said she would get back with me.

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Reply #277 – January 11, 2024, 02:53:23 pm

Quote from: FourTravelers – January 11, 2024, 09:22:59 am

For those of you that may have a straight shaft pump like ours on our '95 - U280 it's made by
John Barnes Corp model# W9A2-1800118, Simone is trying to find out if they can cross reference it to something they may have or can produce.
She said she would get back with me.

Justin. Thanks for doing the follow up. I'll be watching and adding another item to the spare inventory. As these coaches age we've got to do it. I picked up Foretravel's last vacuume pump but not because ours was bad but just to upgrade and ours looked and acted tired.

If I happen to miss your results PM me if you think of it. Thanks.

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Reply #278 – January 11, 2024, 05:02:54 pm

Had a great conversation with Simone this morning. She really does represent what customer service is and I wish that could be said for other businesses I've dealt with.

Thanks Mike for all your work.

My deposit is in and pump is ordered.

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Reply #279 – January 12, 2024, 08:03:47 am

If you are building an emergency parts kit, this may be worth looking into. He accepted an offer of $70 with free shipping.

Anybody have the specs on the nut required?

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Reply #280 – January 12, 2024, 10:54:05 am

I think you will find that is just the pulley, you will also need the correct tapered hub along with the woodriff key that fits on the shaft.

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Reply #281 – January 12, 2024, 10:59:19 am

Agreed. Have that from Foretravel parts coming. Just building the kit. FT parts wanted $110~ with the discount for the pulley-just a lot cheaper here. Brad said he didn't have the nut and didn't know it's dimensions. Simone verified via email that the pump would not come with the nut. She is checking with their guys to see if we can get the spec.

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Reply #282 – January 12, 2024, 12:27:00 pm

Quote from: FourTravelers – January 11, 2024, 09:22:59 am

For those of you that may have a straight shaft pump like ours on our '95 - U280 it's made by
John Barnes Corp model# W9A2-1800118, Simone is trying to find out if they can cross reference it to something they may have or can produce.
She said she would get back with me.

My 95 U240 had a John S. Barnes, but was not available 7-8 yrs ago. Now I have a Sauer Danfoss that ForeTravel put on it.

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Reply #283 – January 12, 2024, 01:08:28 pm

Pump ordered, deposit paid with a ship date of April. Current price is unadvertised and limited to those who call and order, they are not accepting wholesale orders until the early orders are on their books.

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Reply #284 – January 12, 2024, 03:40:46 pm

A 2003 U295 with a ISL 400 is a 41188 Power Steering Cooling Pump confirmed with Brad in parts at FOT.

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Reply #285 – January 12, 2024, 06:01:53 pm

I made a "catch cage" out of 1/2" hardware cloth. It fills the gap between the motor mount structure and the trailer hitch assembly. Self tapping screws and black he tie wraps. That should catch any parts attempting to leave the area. I'm sure folks will improve on the design. Kind of hard th take pictures

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Reply #286 – January 13, 2024, 10:00:51 am

Quote from: "Irish" – January 12, 2024, 01:08:28 pm

Pump ordered, deposit paid with a ship date of April. Current price is unadvertised and limited to those who call and order, they are not accepting wholesale orders until the early orders are on their books.

In talking with Simone when I ordered mine.....this is most definitely a limited time offering, due to reaction of the end users to manufacturer over the past 3 months.......how long unknown......if your affected and still sitting on that fence, the fence is going to turn to barbed wire when you have to get one through a re-seller.

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Reply #287 – January 13, 2024, 08:01:23 pm

Was it ever confirmed if this pump was used on the U320? Mine is a 2002 and will buy one if it uses that pump. I did get the email from Simone a week or two ago...

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Reply #288 – January 13, 2024, 09:36:55 pm

Quote from: Spowell – January 13, 2024, 08:01:23 pm

Was it ever confirmed if this pump was used on the U320? Mine is a 2002 and will buy one if it uses that pump. I did get the email from Simone a week or two ago...

41078 is for the ISM or M11 which your coach has. There are a few of us that have put deposits down for one.

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Reply #289 – January 13, 2024, 09:52:14 pm

So.... Different pump but same issue if it fails due to NLA?

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Reply #290 – January 13, 2024, 11:19:12 pm

Correct even though no information on failures if you do ever need it NLA would park you.

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Reply #291 – January 14, 2024, 07:53:07 am

Have exchanged emails with Simone a few times. She said we can keep the part number open since I have not been able to physically check the pump number on the coach.

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Reply #292 – January 14, 2024, 05:27:47 pm

OK OK you guys talked maybe scared me into ordering one. I sent an email to Simone to add me to the list. Plan on sitting on a shelf just in case. I guess I could always sell it in the future if needed. Ordering the 41078 since it appears this is for my 99 U320 with the M11. Thanks guys for the further education and ways to spend money. lol.

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Reply #293 – January 15, 2024, 10:24:31 am

If in doubt about which pump one has, how about crawl under your coach and make some attempt to identify it? OR contact FOT with your Build number and maybe they will tell you, as many have done. If your too lazy to do either, and $ is not an issue, then order both that are commonly being discussed and hope your coach is not maybe using one of the other 8 NLA pumps.

$1500 is a fair amount of $ to most people. I would be very sure of what pump I needed before I ordered one. Although they are keeping pump numbers on invoices open until actual production, once you have that pump physically in hand, I doubt they would exchange it.

As stated Much earlier in this thread, IF you are belt driven its more than likely the 41188 (But be sure). If you are engine gear driven more than likely the 41078 OR one of the others.

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Reply #294 – January 15, 2024, 10:32:59 am

What 320 has a belt driven pump? That should be verified as it casts doubt about the M-11 configuration.

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Reply #295 – January 15, 2024, 11:20:13 am

Quote from: craneman – January 15, 2024, 10:32:59 am

What 320 has a belt driven pump? That should be verified as it casts doubt about the M-11 configuration.

Crane,

Even though I Know there was a post at 1 time, prompting me to edit my list on reply 60....MICHELLE has confirmed no such post exists.

My point is, 100% confirm the number on the pump before ordering.

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Reply #296 – January 15, 2024, 01:18:56 pm

1998 U270 with a 1997 Cummins 325hp C8.3. Cleaned off the side of my Saur Sundstrand pump and found these numbers: 41188, 40998, and 9749. The 41188 was stamped upside down and at the top of the driver side flat piece, the 40998 and 9749 were stamped at the bottom. Guessing 40998 is the housing, 9749 might be 1997, 49th week of manufacturing with 41188 the particular finished pump number. Gonna jump on the "better safe than sorry ship".

Order booked

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Reply #297 – January 17, 2024, 04:56:32 pm

Confirmed with Foretravel parts department today the part number for my 97 U295 8.3 mechanical is indeed 41188. Called Simone and put a deposit down a few minutes ago.

I wouldn't even have known I had a potential disaster looming if not for this forum. Thanks to all who made this happen, especially you, Mike.

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Reply #298 – January 19, 2024, 10:59:22 am

Made it up to the coach to find the part # for the pump.
I could not find a QCC sticker or any markings.
Is this my pump?

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Reply #299 – January 19, 2024, 12:32:39 pm

Yes.

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