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Re: Hydraulic pump Failed **ALL FORETRAVEL OWNERS SHOULD READ**

Reply #325
Is your pump located at the transmission, or the side of the motor? If it's at the transmission yes it's related to the issue Brad had. If it is a dry PTO ( like Brads) It usually doesn't junk the pump splines, just the PTO coupler.
Bruce, Linda, and Macy
Zoey RIP 1/20/19
1999 U295 40' build #5400
2017 silver Jeep Wrangler, 1260 watts of solar on top
Moving around the country

Re: Hydraulic pump Failed **ALL FORETRAVEL OWNERS SHOULD READ**

Reply #326
Is your pump located at the transmission, or the side of the motor? If it's at the transmission yes it's related to the issue Brad had. If it is a dry PTO ( like Brads) It usually doesn't junk the pump splines, just the PTO coupler.
It's belt driven on the motor.
Steve and Cassi
2007 Foretravel Nimbus 42'

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Reply #327
You have a 41188
Bruce, Linda, and Macy
Zoey RIP 1/20/19
1999 U295 40' build #5400
2017 silver Jeep Wrangler, 1260 watts of solar on top
Moving around the country

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Reply #328
Crawled underneath my 07 Nimbus (ISM 500) yesterday - after cleaning off a bunch of greasy dirt, I wasn't able to find 41188, but I did find 40988 stamped on the large flat surface.  I looked near the bolts where others have shown stamps - none to be found. 

Called FT, they said that I have the 41188 (without asking what build number).  There also doesn't seem to be a plan to stock any units at FOT.  I reached out to Simone to see if all units in the first batch have been spoken for.


The 40988 is the rear housing. The hard to obtain rear housing is the reason that the 10 pumps were discontinued last year, as they all shared that same housing. If you have a belt driven unit, its more than likely the 41188. The stamping IS there just very tiny. But sounds like FOT was able to give you solid info. If your wanting one, Hopefully QCC will come through for you.

I do know that a rep from FOT was in touch with QCC early on in this, as he called me first to talk about the issue.....MOT on the other hand made it clear to me they felt this was a non issue to them. They kept insisting they had a shop in TX that would rebuild them if needed. After I called that very shop, and confirmed 1, they get their parts from QCC. 2 they had no idea the items were NLA, then informed MOT of the situation, that was about the last they cared to talk about it.
Mike in AL
2001 U295
8.3 ISC 350
Build 5918

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Reply #329
Looks like the pumps are being shipped. Received a call from Simone and mine is on the way.
Mark & Bev
2001 U295 36' Slide
Cummins ISC 8.3 350HP
Build #5802
Jeep Wrangler Toad

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Reply #330
My new unit is on its way!
Alan & Gerri Ortiz
1996 U295 36 ft.
"Rocinante"
Hartwell, Georgia
1999 Subaru Forester
Build No. 4957 Motorcader 17399

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Reply #331
Mine will be here Tuesday. I plan to keep it on the parts shelf as a back up for now.
Randy (N4TDT) and Karen Crete
Sarasota, Florida
SOLD:  2000 U270 34' WTFE Build 5756 "Ole Red"

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Reply #332
Pump arrived, Simone called late last night and said it had shipped!
Feel a whole lot happier!
David & Emma Roche
Dino (Golden Doodle)
1999 U270 WTFE 36' Build # 5534
Xtreme "Lights, Stripes & Roof"
Motorcade# 18321
Dayton, Ohio
Towd: Jeep Grand Cherokee
Two Townie Electra Bikes

Life is made to enjoy, the Foretravel helps!

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Reply #333
Pump arrived, Simone called late last night and said it had shipped!
Feel a whole lot happier!
Nice Box!
Somebody left the door open....
Tim Dianics
Pam Sapienza
Vader PupZilla Labrador Canine Beast (AKA Pup)
Columbia, MO
1996 U320 4000
2021 Jeep Gladiator, Diesel

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Reply #334
FYI - if you're on the fence, QCC still has units on hand.  I ordered and paid for one today.  They still honoring the quoted price.
Steve and Cassi
2007 Foretravel Nimbus 42'

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Reply #335
Can anyone confirm I'm safe from this issue with my ORED/Cat 3208? I figure I should verify instead of assuming.
1987 Grand Villa ORED
2001 U320 4010

Not all that wander are lost... but I often am.

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Reply #336
As the instigator/discoverer of the NLA status.... mine has finally arrived. When i get caught up around here, I'll be installing mine as well as the pulley support mod i posted in reply 309. My old rebuilt pump will be my spare.

Fyi, the developer of that mod has put over 4k miles on his prototype. He's manufactured a less weld version for himself and one for me as i was interested. He is willing to sell his prototype to anyone interested. Contact info if interested is in post 309 of this thread. Ask for Larry.
Mike in AL
2001 U295
8.3 ISC 350
Build 5918

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Reply #337
Simone called Friday night saying my pump had shipped and it showed up today. I plan on carrying it with me this summer, and Installing this fall after getting things together. Thanks MKC1962 for making us aware of the pump being NLA and putting things together and making this happen, I could just imagine being stuck in the Yukon or some other out of the way boondock with no power steering and worse no engine cooling.
Mike & Donna Mariana + Angel & Rusty
2003 U295 3620
Build# 6118
2021 Jeep Wrangler 392

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Reply #338
We received our pump today. Thanks Mike for making this happen. You're the man! Also thanks QCC for building us some. Tom
Tom and Michelle 2004 U270 36WTFS

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Reply #339
I posted this about 4 months ago, REPLY #276

For those of you that may have a straight shaft pump like ours on our '95 - U280 it's made by
John Barnes Corp model# W9A2-1800118, Simone is trying to find out if they can cross reference it to something they may have or can produce.
She said she would get back with me.


I didn't hear back from Simone, but that's OK. I found that Foretravel had the rebuild kit, FT#5000101, and are supposedly sourced from  WOMACK (713-956-6400) located in Dallas/Houston area. I also found a local hydraulic shop that would rebuild it if necessary, it wasn't necessary because the only issue with it was the external shaft seal. The seal that I used was made by TTO part #CO168 the size was (19.5 / 30 / 6 x 6.4) this was stamped on the side of the seal.

I got lucky, it was a cheap fix. I have put about 1500 miles on the coach since the seal was replaced with no leak or seepage.

I thought I would post this here for those that have the same pump ( J.S.Barnes - WM9A1 )
If the moderator decides it should be posted elsewhere, please do so.


Justin & Cathy Byrd
1995 U280 "Old Faithful"
36' Build #4673
C8.3 Cummins
Allison MD3060R 6 speed - retarder
Powertech 10KW  4cyl Kubota

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Reply #340
Can anyone confirm I'm safe from this issue with my ORED/Cat 3208? I figure I should verify instead of assuming.
So the good news is that my hydraulic pump assembly number is not in that list (1407020). The bad news is that Google search yields no results for that part.
1987 Grand Villa ORED
2001 U320 4010

Not all that wander are lost... but I often am.

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Reply #341
Have you looked on EBAY? I was surprised to find a lot of NOS Cummins engine parts on EBAY that didn't show up on Google search.
Mike & Donna Mariana + Angel & Rusty
2003 U295 3620
Build# 6118
2021 Jeep Wrangler 392

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Reply #342
So the good news is that my hydraulic pump assembly number is not in that list (1407020).
Elliott,

That looks like a power steering pump.  Does your coach only have one hydraulic pump?  Some of the later model coaches (like ours) used two hydraulic pumps.  On our U280 there is one pump (belt driven) for the cooling fan motors, and a second pump (mounted on the back end of the engine air compressor) for the power steering system.  Our coach also has two separate hydraulic oil reservoirs supplying the two pumps.  Just curious how your coach is configured...
1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

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Reply #343
Have you looked on EBAY? I was surprised to find a lot of NOS Cummins engine parts on EBAY that didn't show up on Google search.
Yea no luck. I'm guessing there have been multiple superseding part numbers since 87 and I hopefully just need to find the right one. I may give cat a call just to satisfy my curiosity
1987 Grand Villa ORED
2001 U320 4010

Not all that wander are lost... but I often am.

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Reply #344
Elliott,

That looks like a power steering pump.  Does your coach only have one hydraulic pump?  Some of the later model coaches (like ours) used two hydraulic pumps.  On our U280 there is one pump (belt driven) for the cooling fan motors, and a second pump (mounted on the back end of the engine air compressor) for the power steering system.  Our coach also has two separate hydraulic oil reservoirs supplying the two pumps.  Just curious how your coach is configured...
Chuck I'll double check when I'm out there working on it this evening but that is indeed the power steering pump and I believe it's the only one. I have a rear-mount radiator and the cooling fan is direct drive.
1987 Grand Villa ORED
2001 U320 4010

Not all that wander are lost... but I often am.

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Reply #345
Glad this is almost fully behind me now.

I've had a few folks privately contact me about the pulley support modification that a member engineered and I posted his original prototype pictures.

Yes, I had him build me one. I worked in heavy manufacturing for 42 years. I personally have witnessed similar tapered shaft sheers, also poorly designed setups. Were all lucky for how this pump re-manufacturing played out, but we can do nothing about the fact that we still are running a poorly designed setup. I saw this modification as a way to beef up and add a lever of security to the situation. Working in industrial automation, I have also worked side by side with dozens of engineers (good & bad) and I know good quality engineering and end results when I see it. The developer spent countless hours in design/engineering and fabrication. However, like so many of us, he is retired and doesn't really want to try and market this. He might build one here or there if asked. I did mention that he is willing to part with his Prototype.

However....For those that might want to go this alone.....I know there are many here that can accomplish this level of work. Here are the developers technical drawings for the version he and I have.

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Mike in AL
2001 U295
8.3 ISC 350
Build 5918

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Reply #346
As the instigator/discoverer of the NLA status.... mine has finally arrived. When i get caught up around here, I'll be installing mine as well as the pulley support mod i posted in reply 309. My old rebuilt pump will be my spare.

Fyi, the developer of that mod has put over 4k miles on his prototype. He's manufactured a less weld version for himself and one for me as i was interested. He is willing to sell his prototype to anyone interested. Contact info if interested is in post 309 of this thread. Ask for Larry.
I received mine too, and while I hope I never have to use it, I'd hate it if, for whatever reason, it won't work when the original goes out. So, I too need to find a way to install the new one and use the original as a spare. I also like that mod (post 309) you have and would love to get one built for me.
Former 2003 GV U295 (6230) (2015 - 2025)
Former 94 GV U225 (2013-2016)

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Reply #347

For those of you that may have a straight shaft pump like ours on our '95 - U280 it's made by
John Barnes Corp model# W9A2-1800118,

It's been a  bit since I was on here but I just got the ol girl out of storage and one of the first tasks to tackle this season is the shaft seal on the hydraulic pump. I can confirm that the 1995 U295 I have has the exact same pump. John Barnes #W9A2-1800118, it also has another number above it 11194. The seal on mine says 5h-14818. I am about to do some research on getting the right seal.

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Reply #348
Folks,

I honestly believe, due to this problem and subsequent resolution for the moment, I have not received so many emails and phone calls in all my life. But that is perfectly OK, Ive learned a lot more about the technical aspects of our coach, and don't mind at all sharing what Ive learned. Making new freinds in life is also never a bad thing. Maybe 1 day we get to meet.

I have had one gentleman that has recently contacted me, showing thanks for all I have done but at the same time also working on a possible solution/improvement to the system. Not just talking about it, the way so many have done, but actually doing something. There are many opinions on what actually causes these tapered shafts to occasionally break. I think most technically minded individuals would agree that being tapered (weakest of all shafts designs) as well as lateral loading are probably key components to eventual failure. Here is a Prototype of an idea to deal with lateral loading that 1 member has done. He has done so on his personal 2001 U295. So far has run it 600 miles, but is about to head out on about a 3200 mile trip, then take it apart for inspection. Personally I think he has a pretty slick idea that can be seen as an improvement to the system. I don't think he really wants to produce these for sale as he is retired. But he does plan to share all of his design specs after proving all aspects of success. He has asked me to post his pictures in my thread, as well as provide a contact number if anyone is interested in pursuing the approach.

Eventually these pumps will become extinct again. We all know through my research, NOBODY of an official Hydraulic supplier or machine shop wants to seem to help with any sort of re-engineering of the pump unit itself. Though lots or owners have suggested there has to be a way to re-engineer, NONE have come forward with any ideas or suggestions. To create a possible solution that will let what we have, stand a chance of lasting much longer, I see this as at least a step in the right direction.

If interested in contacting this person. 253-350-8695

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Double shearing will resolve issues in the future. I hope all that have a tapered shaft take advantage of this and get a system install regardless if they buy a pump.
Hydraulic pump Failed **ALL FORETRAVEL OWNERS SHOULD READ**

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Reply #349
So this is something that someone has designed. It sure looks like it would add strength and stability to the pump. Unfortunately I am not a fabricator. My friend that was has passed away. Looks like it would work well.
previous 1984 35 ft ORED 250 HP 3208 Cat       
previous 1998 40 ft U295 CAI 325 hp Cummins
previous 2003 40 Ft u320 build #6140 450 Cummins M11.                                                         
1999 Mazda Miata
Ron, Nancy, Tipper the cat, Max The dog
1997 U 270 36 ft build number 5174 8.3 Cummins